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Mormon Coffee : Are Their Words Really Scripture?

Mon, 4 Apr 2011 14:18:09 +0000

If this were not so true it might be funny, but I like to point out how rare it is we see LDS coming here to this blog and giving honest answers to these questions. It's also rare how we see LDS coming here and saying no these issues are not problems and here's why..... I know LDS really want to believe JS and all he had to offer, but still is ricking your eternal life and spending eternity in hell apart from God really worth not asking questions or really seeking the truth?

Mormon Coffee : “Following the Prophet” = “Continuing Personal Revelation”

Sat, 2 Apr 2011 01:21:56 +0000

What is funny is, You find what might be a book of plates and the LDS get giddy, yet out in NY where we Supposedly had a battle where 2 million were killed, You would think we would be over whelmed with evidence. But it's so sad that we cannot find a single coin that LDS are now thinking that maybe this mythical battle really took place some where else.

Mormon Coffee : “Following the Prophet” = “Continuing Personal Revelation”

Fri, 1 Apr 2011 22:23:46 +0000

Ted Bundy was a good looking clean cut guy, but he was also a hard core serial killer. Me on the other hand, some have meet me and seen what I look like, I look like the last guy you would ever want to meet in a dark ally. Yet we simply cannot judge by appearance. If you stood me next to Ted Bundy, you would say, I want Ted to be with me in that ally, yet he would want to take you in that ally and do some evil things to you. Me I would be the one to protect you from someone like him. Sad as it is we judge by looks and looks can deceive you. Just wish more people would wake up to that fact.

Mormon Coffee : “Following the Prophet” = “Continuing Personal Revelation”

Fri, 1 Apr 2011 22:18:45 +0000

Jackg said

Here's some insight into the Mormon mind. My sister-in-law once told me: "I know the Church is true, which means that whatever the prophet says in true, and that whatever I hear in Church is true."

That logic is so stupid, just because someone says something is true does not make it so, Islam claims to be true, JW's claim to have the truth, atheists claim to know the truth, If we all claim to have the truth then we need evidence and not blind faith.

Mormon Coffee : BYU Professor Announces Significant Textual Discovery from the Jordanian Plates

Fri, 1 Apr 2011 18:47:29 +0000

Let me say, April Fools yet again. And on a more serious note, let me say to all atheists and non-believers, Have a safe and happy holiday.

Mormon Coffee : “Following the Prophet” = “Continuing Personal Revelation”

Fri, 1 Apr 2011 03:42:50 +0000

Ralph, Here are the problems with the WoW. First it was simply good advice, Now it is Doctrine. Then it states "Hot Drinks" Yet you guys define hot drinks as Coffee and tea. But Hot Chocolate is OK, Then you try to rationalize why Hot Chocolate is ok and coffee and tea are not. Then you skip over the rest of the WoW and never mention eating meat sparingly, or in times of famine only, or using tobacco for washing your body Etc. The whole WoW is bondage and hypocritical. Lets not forget about JS and BY using alcohol and chewing Tobacco, and lets not forget how we find ways to allow them to do it but now if we do we cannot enter heaven.

Mormon Coffee : “Following the Prophet” = “Continuing Personal Revelation”

Thu, 31 Mar 2011 17:04:14 +0000

Sarah, Sadly when people point out how JS prophecy's failed and did not come to pass, instead of the LDS looking into these issues and questioning what they believe, they try and say, well their are prophecy's in the Bible that never came to pass. But here is the problem. JS put a time frame on his prophecy's and said this will happen in the next 100 years for example, or this will happen and then these things never did. So the LDS try and say they are still yet future when clearly they are not. If you look into his prophecy's they were time stamped so to speak, They had specif details as to who would do what or when it would happen, and sadly they never came to pass. Now with the prophecy's in the Bible, Some are still yet future, but unlike JS, The prophecy's have great detail as to what will happen, but they are not "time stamped" Like, This will happen in the year.... Or this will happen in so many day or weeks. Like for example, God told Adam and Eve, A savior would be born. Their was no time frame saying the exact time and day, Yet it came to pass. Now there was later prophecy's given to when Jesus would be born, and where He would be born, but just not to Adam and Eve. Then their was great detail as to How Jesus would Die, That His beard would be Ripped from His Face, that Soldiers would gamble for His Cloths, That His joints would be put out of place, that He would be offered Vinegar on a sponge, That His legs would not be broken and they would put a spear in His side, That He would be crucified between to thieves, and that a rich man would give up a tomb for Jesus. You can go on, their are over 300 exact to the detail prophecy's of the Birth and death of Jesus. JS cannot make those exact detailed claims for anything he prophesied about. Yet sadly with all this exact detail the LDS will still ignore the false claims of JS and defend his false prophecy's, and do their best to try and throw the Bible under the Bus. This just shows another prophecy in the Bible coming true if you want to call it a prophecy. That is people love darkness rather than light and they want to have their itching ears tickled and they sadly will pay for all of eternity as a result of rejecting the truth.

Mormon Coffee : “Following the Prophet” = “Continuing Personal Revelation”

Thu, 31 Mar 2011 15:49:36 +0000

Verne, I am happy to see great minds think alike here, I was also going to quote this saying,

“But when you come down to specifics, we can’t think of any incidents where a prophet was wrong.

I was going to bring up the JS 9 different first vision accounts. And maybe the Blacks not holding the priesthood, or blood atonement, or a huge host of other issues that we could so easily mention.

Mormon Coffee : From the Mailbag (3/8/11)

Thu, 31 Mar 2011 00:40:29 +0000

Violet, I like to think all my posts are the best ever, or at the very least, Helpful.

Mormon Coffee : From the Mailbag (3/8/11)

Thu, 31 Mar 2011 00:34:35 +0000

Ralph, You are clearly showing you have a bias to lies and darkness. If all we do and can do is work with what we have for the BoA and the papyrus then it alone proves JS was a fraud. Then lets add to that the Contradictions between the BoA and the Bible, and all the contradictions between the BoA and the BoA, that book alone contradicts it's self. Then the even bigger issue, There is NO SUCH LANGUAGE AS REFORMED EGYPTIAN. Zero, Nadda, None, zip. So if Any LDS member could provide some evidence it would seriously be a first. These problems dont bother you because it is you that has the bias, not me, or F_melo.

Mormon Coffee : From the Mailbag (3/8/11)

Thu, 31 Mar 2011 00:26:45 +0000

Engkei said

If you read mormon writings carefully, you will find that there is definately an appeal made to believers already. There is also an underlying assumption that the truth is within and around the bible only. As if that was the only choice. For example Moronis promise, and the writings of JS in JS history. He prayed the prayer in the woods, to know which church is true. Never thinking that they were all false, or that perhaps there could have been any else.

You said their is an appeal to believers. An appeal to what? A large portion of the BoM is copied word for word from the Bible. I have said to LDS before, If I were to remove all the Portions of the BoM that are word for word copies of the bible and then read the BoM their would be not much left and what was left would not help me in learning about Jesus at all. Then the Bible tells us to search the scriptures to know if these things are true, Acts 17:11. The Bible never says to pray to know the truth. The Bible also tells us that Satan can come in the form of an angel of light to device us. JS Claims he prayed for the truth in the woods, But what the LDS ALWAYS for get to tell people is, JS had 9 different first vision accounts that all were different and spanned years. So If I am to believe JS prayed about the truth, what Vision do I believe? And if it is not the First Vision then how can I trust any of the others ones to be truthful if they are supposed to be "First vision" Yet they fall into the 2 or 3rd or 4th "first" vision. Then the issue with Moronis promise is,Every time someone prays and comes back to an LDS member and says God told me LDS teachings are false, or God said your wrong or anything negative, Then the LDS members always puts it back on us as if we are not really sincere, Why is that? Then I have meet LDS members who claim to have prayed and say they never got a burning in the bosom or any answer period, yet they still believed. So there are many problems, it's just the LDS choose to live in spiritual darkness and avoid these issues.

Mormon Coffee : From the Mailbag (3/8/11)

Tue, 29 Mar 2011 15:40:15 +0000

F_melo, The First fruits were not just fruits in the sense of fruit, the first fruits were the First of anything and everything. But Again Cain and Able were not Jews and lets not confuse what God told the Jews to do with Gentiles, and to be more exact, Since Cain and Able were around before the Jews and the Gentiles, they were simply the Human Race. But I was and am partly wrong, and will admit as much. In Hebrews, we are told that by faith Abel offered a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, so the problem with Cain was that his was not of faith, whereas Abel's sacrifice was one of faith. That's the basic difference: one believing God and trusting God, the other not believing. Now I know the LDS will say they trust in God, I would disagree because first off the LDS god is not the God of the Bible, so your trusting in a false god. Second LDS admit the Bible is flawed and has precious parts missing and even JS "was told by God" To "Correct" it. So if it must be "corrected" Then how can you really trust God at His word if you fell it is/was corrupted?

Mormon Coffee : From the Mailbag (3/8/11)

Tue, 29 Mar 2011 15:34:39 +0000

Ralph, Many people have told you about cover up after cover up, those issues aside how do you handle the fact that it is taught in LDS theology that "a man cannot be saved in ignorance". Then me and all most every person here can give you exact quotes and chapters on how your prophets cannot agree or how your scriptures cannot agree and so on. So this clearly shows their is a lot of ignorant unsaved people in the LDS church. I bet you would argue they are saved and not ignorant. I'm guessing you will redefine the word ignorant and how two prophets who cannot agree are not ignorant. I look forward to your response.

Mormon Coffee : From the Mailbag (3/8/11)

Tue, 29 Mar 2011 14:42:05 +0000

Ralph, LDS can dismiss the Cross, or even act as if it is nothing, and LDS can place more focus on the garden but here is the problem. The OT speaks of the Cross and never the garden. Go back to Genesis, God told Lucifer his head would be crushed and that crushing came at the Cross when Jesus Died. After God created the nation of Israel and Moses came onto the scene, we see the Cross when God told everyone to kill a lamb (Jesus is our lamb) and put the lambs blood on the door, The blood formed a Cross, No mention in any way of the garden. All who were in the houses with the Blood (Under the Cross and blood of Christ) Were saved. I'm speaking of the pass over in case someone is not sure. After Moses and the children of Israel were wandering the dessert they would set up camp. If you look into the way the camp was set up it formed a Cross, so when Jesus looked down He would see the Cross. You can read detailed prophecy's of the crucifixion to come and How exactly Jesus would die, how His clothes would be gambled for, how He would be offered a sponge with Vinegar Etc. Again no prophecy's of the garden. Go back to Cain and Able, Able pleased God, Cain did not, Why? Able gave animal sacrifices and as the Bible tells us, their is no forgiveness of sins with out the shedding of blood. Cain was a tiller of the ground, we ARE NOT SAVED BY ARE OWN WORKS. The garden offers up no sacrifice of blood. Jesus Goes onto say, You search the scriptures because THEY TESTIFY OF ME. The OT speaks of His coming to die and exactly how it will happen. LDS go out of their way to remove the power of the Cross and focus on things that God never intended, Like the garden. Lucifer hates the Cross, it spelled his damnation and our rescue for eternity. So you listen and follow your father and remove the power of the Cross, Even the bible says THE CROSS IS FOOLISHNESS TO THOSE WHO PERISH. Clearly the Cross is Foolishness to the LDS. How sad for you guys, The thing that says and played a major role in our salvation is rejected by so many.

Mormon Coffee : From the Mailbag (3/8/11)

Tue, 29 Mar 2011 03:23:53 +0000

Ralph, I really am glad you like my no holds barred approach, I just wish more believers would take that approach. Anyway, If I think a mormon is lying or simply ignorant I will say so, but on the other hand I have noticed many believers that really dont have a clue and call them on the carpet also. I read in the Bible Jesus rebuking people that do not like Him or believe He was God, but then on the other hand I noticed Jesus rebuking His own followers and even His family. I want people to rebuke me if I am wrong, but at the same time I want people who feel I am wrong to back it up. I hate it when Christians tell me they dont like my style or approach and try and rebuke me for it, Then I give them examples of Jesus saying and doing things like I did, and the response I get is well your not Jesus. That is not being honest with me, But now if I said something that was a lie for example, Like maybe I said, Hey guys Ralph said.... And you then come here and say, Rick I dont recall saying that can you quote me, and I never do, then I would expect even fellow believers to call me out and rebuke me for lying or giving the appearance of lying. Sadly that is a rare thing. But I try to be fair and honest and rebuke all who need it and give detailed examples and evidence of why I do or say what I do.

Mormon Coffee : From the Mailbag (3/8/11)

Mon, 28 Mar 2011 16:01:43 +0000

Ralph, Here is my thoughts. I cannot tell you how frustrated I get with Christians who tell Mormons what they believe is wrong, yet they have never read the BoM and they only tell Mormons they are wrong because they heard a pastor say so. I suspect their are very few Christians in this world like me. I think for myself, not just say, I heard this or the pastor said that. Here in MN I listen to talk radio, I am a talk radio junkie. I dont keep it one sided, I listen to the liberal side from the National Public radio, then I listen to the conservative side with the local K-Talk raido, who has Rush Limbaugh and Jason Lewis and others. And no I dont agree with them on everything. I went on the radio and tried laying into Jason Lewis for how he was in my mind promoting false hood about the Bible, he refused to talk to me, changed the subject and hung up on me. When I first started talking with LDS I would go to them, ask questions and say, I heard you teach this is that true. They would say no we dont, then I would find sources Like MRM or the Tanners and show the LDS, They would accuse me of reading anti mormon books or using anti mormon sources, so I spent my own money and bought the entire JoD, the 4 Standard works, the Original D and C and tons of other books, I read them and then went to the LDS and tried showing them the problems I found. Guess what Ralph, the LDS would refuse to look at them, I even went to Utah to tour the temple area and ask questions. Guess what Ralph, I had security called on me for asking questions and LDS refused to speak with me when others were around. I talk loud, but it's because I am hard of hearing, and I asked one Female MM some questions, a group was touring where I was asking my question, some one from that group walked up and said that was a great question, Immediately her partner took this group of about 6 and said lets go over here and walked them away. Your lying to yourself if you think LDS do not do that kind of stuff. Seriously I keep putting this challenge out to LDS who like you claim LDS do not lie and a up front and honest about what they believe. I keep saying I will give any LDS member my phone number and where I live, You can meet me a my house or a public place like a coffee house or restaurant Etc, when we have a time and place set I will contact some Local MM's from a church and have them meet us, You or who ever takes me up on this challenge is not allowed to say who you are or whats really going on because then that will change how the MM's act. I will ask honest questions that I always ask, and will provide LDS books with problems and contradictions in them. You will clearly see LDS lie about what they believe and dodge questions and do all kinds of things I accuse them of, and guess what Ralph, I have NEVER had a Mormon take me up on this challenge, and I suspect every LDS member knows I am correct and that is why they never will. You will never see me as a christian tell you, sorry I cannot answer that question because we need milk before meat, or you will never see me give you a reply about what I believe when in fact I believe something different. I am so straight forward about what I believe and can defend what I believe and back up everything I believe to the point I have made other Christians mad at me because I pull no punches and do not hold back, where other Christians have stated I should hold back. I have stated before, I am here to share Christ with the lost and shine a light in the darkness to expose lies and deceit, If that means I make people mad so be it. I am not here looking for a pat on the back and a scratch behind the ears and told I am a good boy. If you dont like me or people dont like me, I really dont care, all that matters is I hear the words well done good and faithful servant from Jesus, Not DEPART FROM ME, FOR I NEVER KNEW YOU, YOU WORKER OF EVIL, simply because I cared more about what man has thought. So back to the point at hand, I tell people read the BoM and study the LDS teachings and see for yourself the problems, I tell Christians, If you go to share the gospel with someone who clearly says the Bible is full of problems and contradictions and you then ask them, have you ever read the Bible? and they say No I have not, do you really want to talk with them? They clearly have a bias that the bible is wrong even thought they never read it. I tell Christians to show the same respect to the LDS, You cannot sit here and tell an LDS member they are wrong if you never read their books, I can tell LDS they are wrong because I read all the standard works for myself and saw the problems. So Ralph, I do defend the LDS in some ways against the ignorant Christians, and I even mentioned this on my Mormon blog years ago, so I have an electronic time stamped form of evidence if people try and say I am lying. To bad the LDS really are not more honest as they claim.

Mormon Coffee : From the Mailbag (3/8/11)

Sun, 27 Mar 2011 13:54:09 +0000

Dale, The answers that mormons give to those questions are so dumb, I would have to take a sharp knife and carve off a huge chunk of my IQ just to reply to them.

Mormon Coffee : From the Mailbag (3/8/11)

Sat, 26 Mar 2011 23:53:33 +0000

Well you said people try to say it did not happen, or that was what I understood you to say. Those people really dont want Jesus to be raised from the dead, because as Paul said, if He (Jesus) did not raise from the dead then were living for nothing.

Mormon Coffee : From the Mailbag (3/8/11)

Sat, 26 Mar 2011 16:13:42 +0000

Engkei said

But there are people who claim the idea of resurrection came from sources outside of christianity.

You really need to provide more detail as to where your going with this, I have a hard time replying to you when I am not sure what your point is, or where your going?

Mormon Coffee : From the Mailbag (3/8/11)

Fri, 25 Mar 2011 02:53:45 +0000

Falcon, I read the article, I like you think it is really sad that so many Mormons are believing a lie and will sadly find out after death when it is to late they they were serving a false god and here Jesus say to them, Depart from me into ever lasting Fire. And for all of eternity they will be tormented by the fact they heard people like us sharing the truth with them and they rejected it because they wanted to believe a lie.