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World In Conversation : Why does society dislike immigrants and why are they portrayed badly?- 119 Blog

Fri, 22 Apr 2011 19:40:54 +0000

Why does society hate immigrants? I have a hard time grasping that question; mainly because I myself am an immigrant. I came to America when I was nine years old and have been here for almost eleven years. Like Sam mentioned in class immigrants usually center around areas where there are plenty of them and their culture is prominent; thus speaking Polish in a small town in New Jersey where there was a Polish church, Polish stores, and bakeries wasn’t a problem. I did go to Polish school on the weekends and took ESL in elementary school. The town where I grew up had a heavy Polish influence and there was a strong Polish diaspora in the surrounding areas so I never really felt any animosity towards me personally or anyone else of Polish descent because a lot of people in South Amboy, New Jersey were in some way of Polish ancestry. What I did notice however is an animosity towards Hispanics when they started moving into the town; a lot of older people I talked to mentioned how the town was better when it was all white and things of that nature. Maybe that was because of the Hispanics usage of their native language as opposed to English, but I never really looked into it mainly because I had Spanish friends and as a kid it just didn’t matter to me who was what; even though there were no Hispanics in Poland I didn’t feel like it was something shocking seeing them in America. I think the main concern that people have against immigrants is that the most recent immigrants tend to speak their own language and you have to count the whole myth of immigrants taking our jobs and ect. I know from firsthand experience that the assumption is completely false. I’m extremely Americanized to the level where I speak bits of Polish and English when having a conversation with my mom or my sister and I don’t necessarily miss Poland as much as I used to when I was younger. However I do realize that I am in this country to make something out of myself and I have always strived to do well in school and in the work place, and the workplace is what I really want to talk about. I worked at an assisted living and still do when I come home for breaks; in that place my mom and several others work as Care Managers; a nice way of saying they clean and shower old people without mentioning the perversions of the old men and the feces they leave when they make a mess. All but one of the Care Managers that work there are American; the rest are all immigrants and from places like Poland to Peru and even Ghana. These people work hard to make a living and work second jobs to supplements the meager pay they get for working at the assisted living. I don’t know why people hate immigrants; like Sam keeps on mentioning in class, we all come from immigrants unless were Native American and by the second generation the immigrants children speak primarily English and are Americans who in turn start hating and discriminating against other immigrants. It’s a cycle that makes no sense in my mind.

World In Conversation : What are your thoughts on everything we saw and heard in lecture about Native Americans?- 119 Blog

Sat, 16 Apr 2011 21:28:14 +0000

The statistics, facts, pictures, videos, and song in the lecture on the current situation of Native Americans made me cringe; I felt an incredibly terrifying emotion when Sam showed us the numbers. I guess my thoughts on the matter are really plain; how are we letting people live in third world poverty in the richest country in the world? Especially a people who we’ve taken this land from; it really makes me sick to my stomach. Like Sam said, the first peoples suffered through the longest and most devastating genocide in human history and now in 21st century America they live on reserves which are basically spots of third world countries on the map of the United States. We continue to insult and degrade these people and there are no words than can truly describe or explain that. I feel terrible about these facts and what we’ve driven a people to. I think the biggest problem with this though is the lack of knowledge surrounding these facts. Prior to this class lecture I had no idea about any problems facing Native Americans, I’m not counting small snippets of information that Sam has given to us throughout this class. If people knew that Native Americans were living the way they do then something would have to change. It’s hard to really describe or talk about this because I feel like most people should step up in some way and make change happen; this treatment of a Native Americans can’t go on. Something we have to do as a nation however is admit to the mistreatment that we have caused; it’s not right to boast of our democracy and high living standards if there are people suffering so severely here in the United States. Someone needs to step up and apologize and do it soon.

World In Conversation : After this class, how do you think about terrorism?- 119 Blog

Fri, 8 Apr 2011 21:12:31 +0000

The lecture in class changed my understanding and perception on the situation in Iraq and how to approach it, but to say it changed my view on terrorism might be pushing it. I disapprove of terrorism because the killing of innocent people is wrong. What this lecture did teach me however is to understand why people might be pushed towards acts of terror, perspective. Sam’s talking points reinforced the idea of “one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter” in my mind. I don’t support terror but now I know why ordinary people might be driven towards it if they are destitute when their great natural resource only makes the ruling elite richer and when they try to push towards a better life they are oppressed in massive crackdowns. If I was an Iraqi living in Baghdad barely making it day by day, having no freedom, and seeing a small minority reaping the benefits of our massive oil supplies while an occupying army soldier is at every corner; I could see being driven to somehow fight back. The lecture further pointed out things I didn’t even realize where happening and how Muslims, Arabs, Iraqis, and people all over the Middle East view it. In America we don’t realize that the little things that media personalities do have a wide range of effects on the other side of the world. Like Sam pointed out, Terry Jones burning the Koran comes off as idiotic and pointless to most Americans but that event has the ability to cause riots and death in other parts of the world, especially with the addition of American missionaries and military commanders making decisively anti-Islamic statements. As a Muslim in the Middle East I would be outraged if I was in their shoes and if a Chinese army was stationed in my hometown burning Bibles I would fight back in any way possible simply because I don’t want to be stepped on; now I understand. What Sam has taught me in his class is empathy and perspective. I won’t support the terrorism or anything else that might disadvantage me because I want to be well off, but now I try to understand and put the pieces together so that I know why people might feel a certain way. I don’t support terrorism but I can understand why people might be driven towards it. I don’t support oppressive regimes but I understand why the US might support them. If I was fighting back against an occupying army using nonconventional tactics someone might call me a terrorist, and I guess in the end the British might’ve considered us terrorists when we rebelled in 1776; food for thought.

World In Conversation : What was more enlightening, the information on your own sex or the opposite sex and why?- 119 Blog

Fri, 1 Apr 2011 19:47:29 +0000

I learned a great deal from the “Needy Penis” lecture about both sexes because I had no idea what really goes into the thought process of women and I didn’t know the actual statistics describing how many women climax or how often everyone actually has sex or just hooks up. The revelations were actually a kind of breather for me personally because as a guy it’s an extreme psychological set back when you go out and don’t hook up and meanwhile you’re always thinking that everyone else is; the revelations definitely made me realize how as a person I really don’t know what’s actually going on with my peers and I’m just easily fooled by thinking everyone is having sex but me at times. The most interesting part of the lecture however was the focus that Sam and his wife put towards the women and how they’re forced to essentially cater to men with their sex lives and their style when they go out; I thought that was a very thought provoking segment. I have always found myself commenting on girls going out in extremely short skirts with sometimes no coats on and high heels in the middle of the night and I never understood why they do that to themselves. I would be outside Findley Commons smoking a cigarette freezing with jeans and a coat on and I would see these girls brave tundra like weather just to look the way they did; I have to admit I thought they looked good and that’s essentially what they were aiming for but I always thought to myself that I would never do anything like that. I’m a guy, almost a man I suppose and I dress for comfort while these girls are wearing nothing and wearing high heels from East to the bus stop and from there to a frat house where some of my friends would happen to walk back from without shoes on, barefoot on the Icelandic sidewalks. I always thought a good looking girl with a personality didn’t really need to do that but now I understand they’re living in a male dominated world where they have no say sexually because what we want is what they get and they are brainwashed into thinking that’s what they’re supposed to want. I didn’t really find the numbers describing climaxing and enjoyment of oral sex and etc. to be surprising; I’ve heard girls talk about the topic and I did realize not everyone was enjoying themselves. I also realized that women needed more than just five minutes of kissing to be ready but I never followed up on that. I was always ready and like Sam said I had a thought in my head and I could just go without thinking about what my girlfriend or whoever I was with really wanted. I’m really appreciative of this lecture. It put things in perspective for me as a man and let me understand women and what they want. Good stuff Soc119!

World In Conversation : What was more enlightening, the information on your own sex or the opposite sex and why?- 119 Blog

Fri, 1 Apr 2011 19:37:42 +0000

World In Conversation : What was more enlightening, the information on your own sex or the opposite sex and why?- 119 Blog

Fri, 1 Apr 2011 19:37:30 +0000

World In Conversation : What do you think about interracial relationships?- 119 Blog

Fri, 25 Mar 2011 18:38:54 +0000

I completely support interracial relationships. I don’t see anything wrong with people being together no matter what their background is, as long as they are attracted to each other; it’s their decision. I’m white and have never been in an interracial relationship although I have been and am still attracted to women of other races; Asian, black, brown it really doesn’t matter to me as long as there is the initial attraction between me and the girl. Even though I’ve only been in relationships with white women I have had sex with females of other races and I do find that my friends have a double standard towards that. Prom weekend when my friends and I went to Seaside to party and celebrate I ended up having sex with a black girl that went to my school. The next morning however when it came time to leave and go back home my friends started making jokes about it; calling me Tupac and every other dead rapper in recent memory. Some of my friends considered me a “pioneer” in crossing the race line but I don’t know if I should treat that as a compliment. Now like I mentioned before I’m white and don’t care about race, I think I’m above being racist and discriminatory based on factors of race but my friends insisted on repeating that I had sex with a black girl and what my babies with the girl would look like. I have to admit that because of what they were saying I started to feel embarrassed or maybe even ashamed of what I did because they kept on harassing me about what happened. I wish I would’ve been brave and confident enough to call them out on what they were saying, after all we do have black friends who spent the weekend with us but since they were gone my white friends felt free to play the race card in my face and use it in a negative way. Now I know that back then in May 2010 I couldn’t have been in stage 5 or 6 like Sam’s been discussing in class because I didn’t confront my friends about what they were saying and instead lowered my head in shame. I’m probably not in any of those stages today both because even though I am attracted to other races I do think about stereotypes at times and I only sporadically confront people about racist statements they make. One of my friends who made fun of me for having sex with a black girl sent me a text the other day saying, “Hotness has no discrimination” but if it came to repeating prom weekend I don’t have faith in him not making the same comments as he did before.

World In Conversation : Where do the messages come from?- 119 Blog

Fri, 18 Mar 2011 21:18:34 +0000

It’s hard to describe the emotions I was going through while watching the video; sadness, frustration, and pity just to name a few. Most of the students who spoke up in class seemed to blame the media and I think that it’s the popular train of thought on this issue; like Sam said however there seems to be more to it as little kids with relatively little exposure pick the white doll over the “bad” dark skinned one. I think the messages do come from the media but it can’t be the only factor in something so intricate that it touches little brown and black kids that their skin color isn’t good. I think there are three elements to this message; the negative portrayal of non-whites and in some cases lack of a portrayal, the generational attitude towards “good” hair and lighter skin, and the overwhelming representation of whites compared to other races. I can understand how a small child growing up with their family always nagging on about their hair or skin color and how grandparents would prefer or favor the lighter skinned children Disney Channel having almost exclusively white lead characters is also a factor; like someone in class said, they only recently had a black princess in one of their movies. Being a black or brown girl growing up with only white princesses is something that has to have an effect on a child’s psyche. Our society has created this white dominated culture in many aspects of our society and generations of black or brown families saying white is better because of some of their advantages is also something that matters in this issue. It’s really sad that it has come to this and I really want it to change; being white and seeing someone, especially children saying white is good and black is bad makes me shiver. I can’t imagine myself saying white is bad and no one else should put down their skin color either.

World In Conversation : Do people feel guilt about their current positions when knowing about the disadvantages of the freed

Sat, 12 Mar 2011 04:04:08 +0000

Guilt is the wrong word to use in this situation. I certainly don’t feel proud that I’m in the position I’m in because freed slaves were at a disadvantage; I don’t feel guilty either though. For me to feel some sort of guilt would mean for me that I could trace my ancestor’s to the oppressor’s of freed blacks but I can’t do that. At the same time that the freed slaves were being oppressed my ancestors in Poland were being oppressed by Russians, Germans, or Austrians; I can feel slight resentment at those nationalities for 123 years of subjugation but I can’t feel guilt because my people weren’t there to do anything about it. I do however feel that it is completely unfair for people to be in the position they’re in because they did not get an equal start in the game of life. Sam always says in class that as white people we never think that our skin color or that being a male is given us an advantage and yet it does. If class has taught me anything it’s that I should be aware of the advantages that I have and understand them; like Sam try to fight my latent prejudices and not come off as an ignoramus when I should really know the facts. And that brings me to my main point of understanding, it’s the best word to describe what we should all do; know and understand the facts and history of our nation and of the race relations that bring forth conversation in our classroom. I don’t feel guilt because my people didn’t oppress black people; my ancestors were in the middle of nowhere Poland working on fields as serfs or a minor nobility, they weren’t in the South passing Jim Crow laws. I feel that I know that black people had been oppressed and that we should try now not to give anyone a disadvantage but guilt is the wrong word to use unless someone can trace their ancestors to Jefferson Davies. Not all white people were oppressors and just because I’m white doesn’t mean I’m racist.

World In Conversation : Is it selfish for people in poverty to have more kids because of their lower income?- 119 Blog

Sat, 26 Feb 2011 00:38:32 +0000

I think it is selfish for people who cannot live within their means to have more kids than people who are better off. I think you have to come to understand that if you can’t provide for twenty two kids than you obviously shouldn’t have that many; Tammy can’t provide for four kids so I don’t understand why she would make them suffer when she can’t provide even an apartment or a suitable place to live. What I’m trying to get at is that I don’t know why someone would make their children live in a destitute place simply because they’re culturally inclined to have a lot of children. These people should understand that if they want to pick themselves up, they have to take steps to break into a higher social class and having more children is not a correct step to do so. Instead they should have fewer kids and be able to provide an appropriate housing situation and maybe other amenities if possible so their children are raised in a good environment and not the “redneck’s game” society. That’s the way to break out, not having kids and hoping one of them breaks out or hits the lottery. I respect Tammy’s work ethic and her perseverance in taking a huge burden by walking 10 miles just to work and not accepting welfare; that shows she has the quintessential American attitude but she lacks in good judgment by having too many kids and essentially making them suffer by not providing for them and exposing them to society’s prejudices.

World In Conversation : How do you feel about the way people live in America compared to other places around the world?- 119

Sat, 19 Feb 2011 19:10:02 +0000

I always realized we in America were better off than everyone else in the world but I didn’t know the statistics until Sam’s class; being better off than 97% of the world is definitely significant. My feelings towards that statistics aren’t of guilt though because I’m happy that I can have what I have and in quantities that come available. I naturally feel terrible when I find out about the conditions that workers that made my Blackberry, my laptop, or my clothes work in but like everyone else I move on because I don’t compare myself to people outside the United States. I think the simple answer as to why this happens is not that we in America don’t know that we have it better; we see the commercials about masses starving in Africa and we know about sweatshops in Asia but the bottom line is the fact that we don’t interact with those people. I’m going to feel bad when I see a video about modern day slavery in the Ivory Coast but like most of the class I’m going to move on because I haven’t met anyone like that and to be completely honest I’m greedy; I want to have more than most people and I recognize that for us in America to live as well as we do others have to be less well of and in some cases extremely less well off. Maybe that’s how society raised me but I don’t want to give up the comfort I have; my car, my clothes, or my entertainment devices. The terrible thing about my conclusion is that I have lived in another country and maybe that’s why I don’t want to give up what I have here in the United States. When I lived in Poland and even when I went there to visit during my summer long vacations I knew and recognized the differences between here and there. In Poland and in Europe in general people recognize the need for moderation in many fields, be it in consuming things like chocolates or buying sodas in small quantities to save money and not overspend. We don’t understand the concept of that in America, we don’t even know what it means and that’s what always confused me coming back from Poland to America and adjusting back to expressiveness. It’s a very simple thing to do really; try not to use more than we really have to, carpooling and ect are part of that equation but we as a society talk about it but never implement it. I’m not trying to say that I moderate because I’m just like everyone else; I’m greedy and I’m selfish in the big picture but in the small picture I’m just a college kid from New Jersey trying to pay high tuition and still afford what everyone else does.

World In Conversation : How have the choices you've made and determinism affected your life?- 119 Blog

Wed, 9 Feb 2011 22:50:50 +0000

My life has easily been a combination of free will and determinism. I immigrated to the United States from Poland when I was nine years old and coming here was my choice at an early age. My mom just imagined joining my stepfather in the United States and working while sending money back to Poland for me and my sister to have a comfortable and easy life. I didn’t want to leave my mom and America was always a place I fantasized about through movies or the news. From the beginning when I moved to a small town in New Jersey, my mother told me to do well in school, she told me I should always strive to be the best and I took from that and applied it in the classroom. My mother didn’t know English so school was where I was on my own and even though I liked to go and play with some of my neighbors I knew I had to do well and as I moved to middle school and high school I picked up honors and advanced placement classes because I felt like I couldn’t take easier classes just because they were easy; I wanted the best and I strove for it. At the same time during the summer after my sophomore year my mom got me a job at the retirement home she worked at; I became the dining server in a very upper class and expensive assisted living. When that happened I stopped asking my mom for money for things that I could afford and started picking up hours; I went from working four hour days to eight and sometimes twelve hours because I rather be making money than sitting at home. I feel like I really connected with Sam when he revealed that he worked a lot and studied; making his way up. I have worked hard in school and at my job at which I still work at when I come home for breaks and free will is something that I am a profound believer in. At the same time I have to look at determinism and in the fact that it has played a role in my life. My mom is an extremely hard worker and has worked two jobs the last couple of years for our family to be stable and prosperous; that’s her free will to work and not receive welfare but her being my mother and being hard working is determinism in my life. She is the person that made me work hard, encouraged me, and I want to add that our relationship isn’t all rosy. My mom and I fight a lot and it’s not pretty when we do but if there’s anything in life it’s family and we always support each other, she supported my choice at Penn State and even though we’re not wealthy has taken up loans for me to go to Penn State and I’m extremely grateful for that. My friend’s mother is not the same; she was and still mildly is a drug addict. When he was looking at college applications she told him not to bother because she’s not wasting money on him. For a year he picked up drugs, started dealing, got into cocaine and wasted a year after high school because that’s what he was brought up with and had no other choice. Then something sparked in him; he decided to quit drugs, contacted an Army recruiter and is now in boot camp somewhere in Missouri trying to make it on his own because his parents weren’t there for him. Life is definitely a mixture of the two schools of thought. I’d be lying if I said I didn’t think being the first person in my family to go to college played a role in me being at Penn State. Working hard though, being involved in school, and striving for something better were my choices too. I could’ve just settled for going to a community college like some of my friends in high school but I didn’t want to. I felt like the work I had put in had to be rewarded and to me my reward was in Happy Valley. Life isn’t simple and it shouldn’t be categorized as such. I know people from both spectrums of free will and determinism and both are very real. For some people the cards are stacked against them in the homes and neighborhoods where they are brought up; some of them escape that and break through but it’s no one can say that people are living in the “projects” because they are lazy. That’s not it at all.

World In Conversation : What is the Difference Between a Colored and White Comedian?- 119 Blog

Sat, 5 Feb 2011 01:38:11 +0000

The fundamental difference between white and colored comedians is the history behind how their races interacted in the past. White people in the United States have historically oppressed or resented another race as they entered America; enslaving African-Americans, the current treatment of Hispanics based on immigration, and tensions against Muslims are prime examples. As time passes I think comedians realize that it is their mission to defuse tensions and point out misconceptions that we have about each other. It’s a matter of knowing your audience and trying to connect with another. There is a skit by Louis C.K. about being white; he is a white comedian himself and talks about how great it is, how white people can use time machines but black people wouldn’t travel before 1980. Finally in his skit he points out that white people are eventually going to fall and that they’re going to suffer later but for now we should celebrate. It’s a hilarious example of a white comedian tacking race and succeeding tremendously. I have not seen any other white politicians succeed this way; I’ve seen Kramer from Seinfeld fail however. The truth in my opinion is that to this point white comedians and maybe even the audience haven’t been comfortable in talking about race. Black comedians and Hispanics as well as others are able to say what white people won’t and this break the tension. The fact of the matter is that race is funny; our misconceptions and racist thoughts is something that everyone has thought at one point or another and if someone puts it out in the open we can all laugh about it. I’ve seen Dave Chappelle do it when he was talking about smoking weed with white people against smoking it with black people; the art of comedy is about delivery and every comedian can say anything about anyone as long as they deliver the message well. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TG4f9zR5yzY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0j55mozVwDM

World In Conversation : Why Do We Need to be Politically Correct?- 119 Blog

Sat, 29 Jan 2011 01:46:12 +0000

Being politically correct or PC refers to the names and behaviors we use towards people of other races, nationalities, or religions. Now that I recited the formal definition I want to explore my perspective on the issue. I’m not a very politically correct person; around my friends at least. My friends from back home in South Amboy, New Jersey are a diverse group; black, Hispanic, and the different types of nationalities that come with being white. Now me and my friends call each other derogative terms all the time with no harm intended and we know that so we don’t mind it. I don’t mind being called a Polak, mainly because in Polish Polak means a male Pole, a female Pole would be called Polka. I realize that most of the Polish diaspora considers the term offensive but I honestly don’t see reason for the uproar. Like Sam said however, there’s no consensus within any given ethnic group as to what’s accepted and what’s not. Going back to the overall presence of political correctness and my view on it; it’s something that I don’t practice in my close circles but do with people I’m not close or familiar with. Like I said I’ll use racial or derogatory terms with my friends and to my friends but only because they know that I don’t mean them in a serious way; it’s just what my friends and I do together. However if one of them got offended I’d stop. I think most people make a real distinction to be politically correct outside their comfort zones or comfort groups. The main reason behind being politically correct is not to offend anyone but where I think being politically correct gets the most attention is in religious circles. I remember when the principle of my high school made an effort to say, “Happy Holidays” instead of “Merry Christmas” and many students responded with a huge uproar over the fact that he would make such a statement in a predominantly Christian school district. I personally didn’t mind because I’m not an overly religious person and I realized that there were several non-Christian students in the school. Something that comes to mind when writing about this religious political correctness is this Muslim woman I worked with. I remember her saying that around Christmas time she would go out and buy her children presents just so they would have something to show off at school too. Now maybe barraging kids of all religions with “Merry Christmas” in schools undermines their own religious identities; it’s just an observation. Political correctness is a tool we use because we don’t recognize what other races preferences are to be called. It also undoubtedly has a connection with the way we all have treated others in the past; that’s a reason why white people are especially politically sensitive. I think the white team is just on a politically inspired guilt trip because we’ve literally been the assholes of history; towards other races and within different white ethnicities. I don’t feel that way because I was born in Poland and I have no guilt because I wasn’t part of it. I do however make an effort to be respectful to people I don’t know because different individuals have different preferences.

World In Conversation : What Characteristics Would You Give Your Race? - 119 Blog

Sat, 22 Jan 2011 04:34:53 +0000

I identify myself a white Polish-American. The negative characteristics of Poles in America are that they are uneducated; in Europe is that they are drunks and thieves according to a German newspaper the Polish media covered. I think that Poles are foremost hard and diligent workers; my mom has worked two jobs for years and I have worked throughout high school, into the summer, and when I come back home on break. My mom has always told me to study and do well in school; she used to say that, “It’s better to be worse in a group of the best then the best in a group of the worse.” I’m not sure if the meaning was lost in translation. Personally, physically I guess I have larger head, blue eyes, dirty blonde hair; I’m usually pale, and kind of hairy. Despite what Sam said about characteristics or what we were supposed to get out of the lesson I can typically pin point a Polish person when I see one, so can my relatives. I was born in Poland and raised in New Jersey so physically I’m all Polish/Slavic but culturally I consider myself Americanized. I don’t usually even observe Polish traditions, I prefer to nitpick what I like from every other culture and call it mine.

World In Conversation : What Do You Think? - 119 Blog

Sat, 22 Jan 2011 02:28:21 +0000

I think the exercise in class was not only interesting and provocative but that it also played into many students’ secret prejudices. It really let peoples’ labeling of others come to surface; I’m not trying to say I don’t do it because as the exercise showed everyone does. The two girls who had to systematically categorize everyone based on their looks did what anyone else in their place would. Society forces us to make assumptions about others based on their looks, skin color and race in particular. Asians are smart, Hispanics steal, African-Americans are criminals, and White people rule the world; those are some examples that races attribute to other races. Now I know plenty of white people that steal, do drugs, break laws, and are too lazy to work. I also know plenty of Hispanics who work hard, study, and are successful. The point is that the labels we put on people transcend on the basis of individuals rather than entire racial groups. I think the girl who was of Korean-Irish-German descent really struck a chord with me. She looked Asian but also had ancestors of European descent yet she looked Asian and was label in that group by the two girls. There was also a Vietnamese girl who Sam picked to go up front who was purely Vietnamese but looked of mixed races. Our looks don’t necessarily tell our full stories and that’s something I’m beginning to understand more and more from Sam’s lectures.

World In Conversation : Last Name “K” – Intense Debate

Fri, 14 Jan 2011 23:41:04 +0000

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