en-us https://www.intensedebate.com/users/766266 Comments by OldGreg8 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/04/south-park-off-the-hook__trashed/#IDComment69947259 Freedom of speech. Who cares what is shown on a cartoon. It is really not a big deal at all. Sure, it may have been offensive to some people, and that is understandable. But, when has been the last week that has gone by where you have not been offended at least once. Probably, a long time. It is just a television cartoon, I do not think anyone should take it too seriously, especially with the knowledge of what the show actually is. No one really take South Park seriously. But to be honest, the creators of the show are rather intelligent people when it comes to current events. Most of the episodes are up to date in terms of issues that are appearing in today's society. Sometimes their opinions, although rather crude, are really educated and thought out. Fri, 23 Apr 2010 16:10:39 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/04/south-park-off-the-hook__trashed/#IDComment69947259 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/04/isnt-migration-conflict-inevitable__trashed/#IDComment69946742 First of all, it is the exact same situation. It has nothing to do with a war, nothing to do with who is a stronger country, nothing to do with past versus present. Like you said in the video, it is a migration. With a migration there is not always war or conflict. Not always. Yes, there has been instances where war has arisen to due to this sort of conflict of interest, but in our case, war does not seem feasible at this day and age. Okay, so in 1492, a stronger, more developed, more technologically advance, and sicker nation came to the Americas and took over the land. Why were they able to do this? Well for one thing they had guns, they had germs, and they had the mental capacity it took to think selfishly and take what they wanted. That seems to be a lot different than what is going on today, don't you think? In terms of "illegal immigration" or "migration" in today's world, the issue is not a complete take over. The issue is not taking land or possessions from the native people. The issue is not one of a manifest destiny. Today's movement of people is solely on an individual basis. Whereas in 1492, it was a national movement. In our society, immigration is strictly based upon one individual, or a family of individuals, looking for a better life. Now, it has been projected that in possible a half century, the number of non-caucasians will outnumber the number of whites in our country. But will a war result? Probably not. The equality of technological advancements keeps anyone from NATIONALLY taking over. Even if some country is slightly less advanced, an advanced, more powerful nation will usually step in to aid the weaker nation. There is nothing wrong with searching for a better life. It is human nature. And, especially if it is possible to achieve something better than what you have now, why not go for it? Immigration or migration is bound to happen. It is not the same as before... not because a war will not result but because it is an individual movement. It is a movement of single people or families, not an entire nation or religious sect. There are no ulterior motives other than self-improvement, and the worst thing that will happen is over-population. Hey, here's an idea. If so many immigrants from Mexico wish to come into the United States, Mexico should donate us some land below Texas in order to make more room. That is the fair thing to do. What's another state going to do anyways? It would not hurt anyone. Shit, I would move there. Sunshine in the air, perfume everywhere, girls are everywhere. Fri, 23 Apr 2010 16:06:15 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/04/isnt-migration-conflict-inevitable__trashed/#IDComment69946742 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/04/what-about-people-who-can-only-afford-hard-work__trashed/#IDComment69941202 It is really hard to find a middle ground in this case. It really is whether you have the money or not to be able to do it. Plain and simple. In my opinion it should just be about the hard work. Although many people may disagree on how they feel about America, as to whether it is a good country or not, etc., it is a land of great opportunities. Therefore, I do feel that you should be able work hard and gain a better future or gain better opportunities to succeed. Why not? Yes, I would be hurt if an illegal immigrant beat me out for a job I desired. But, when thinking about the BIG PICTURE, aren't we all illegal immigrants like what was shown in lecture. How can we say at this day and age that "migration" of peoples is illegal. We did the same exact shit in 1492. Fri, 23 Apr 2010 15:23:36 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/04/what-about-people-who-can-only-afford-hard-work__trashed/#IDComment69941202 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/04/christian-invaders-the-turnaround__trashed/#IDComment68417001 Let me first start off by saying that I am not a person who entrenches himself in, let alone studiously follows, politics. The system is driven by human actions and decisions, which are not standardized the least bit. For a political system to work, not function but work (as in work correctly), decisions would be based on calculations and no personal or moral justifications would play into it. In the case that Sam speaks of, that of the Cristian Invaders and the war on Iraq, there is a lot wrong with both sides of the story. Although I am sure Sam is not against the war in Iraq, as he said in lecture, I do believe it was an awakening experience. Still, let's not forget about other reasons for fighting the war, which do not pertain to oil. Putting myself in the shoes of an Iraqi teen was something I had never done before. I am a firm believer of "putting yourself in somebody else's shoes" in order to gain perspective. It is a tactic that really works and thus really worked for this lecture. This video was also really powerful, which helped to add to my questioning and such. Now, I think George W. Bush is an idiot and do not give him credit for using the term "crusade" in order to describe the war. I strongly believe that he probably thought it was a "cool" way to describe battle and did not consider its religious connotation whatsoever. That being said, I do believe this is a war about 2 things: oil and retaliation. I feel like the oil is the main driving force, and the retaliation is used as justification and to take publicity away from the oil-driven motives. The question I have relates exactly to Sam's point of lecture. After putting yourself in the shoes of Iraqi teens, put yourself back in your own shoes. Looking at the war in Iraq from both lenses, which side do you choose? Some people may really feel bad for what has happened in Iraq to those people and would pick the side of the Iraqi teens, but I do believe most people would not. I look at what has been done to the United States in terms of terrorism and such acts of violence around the world, and I am very for the war against terrorism. Now I am not necessarily for a war on oil rights, but if that should be a bonus of this war, then so be it. The American invasion of Iraq is not terrorism, but the attacks of 9/11 and those in Israel, England, Brazil, or any other recent attack are all terroristic. So do I think some of the things we are doing in Iraq are wrong? Yes. But would I sacrifice those for us to submit and accept terrorism and what it is capable of... No. This is a really hard topic. I don't understand people, I don't understand these religions. I don't understand where these ideas of supported. I really wish all this shit would stop, because there really is no point. Fri, 16 Apr 2010 19:37:15 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/04/christian-invaders-the-turnaround__trashed/#IDComment68417001 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/04/women__trashed/#IDComment68416845 I believe that the performance is class was really well done and portrayed a wonderful message. Yet, NONE of the responses after class had anything to do with the play's actual meaning. This was not about woman's issues with boob size or woman's issues with appearance. This was about ethnocentrism and how one person sees things completely different than the next person. I'm sorry some girls struggle with confidence or constantly questioning how they look, some guys do to. The point is that TO ME, this was not about women and their beauty, this was about conforming to society norms and pressures, and the detrimental affect they can have on people. The point is... be yourself. Do what makes you happy, do what you think is right. If some people do not like you for you, then don't waste your time. Fri, 16 Apr 2010 19:35:45 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/04/women__trashed/#IDComment68416845 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/04/creating-terrorists__trashed/#IDComment68415834 This is a really sad video. The fact that this woman felt compelled to commit such an act really leaves one wondering why this is such a common occurrence. Why does avenging you husband's death become the course of action. Is it her religion that is encouraging her to do so? I do not know. The whole issue of creating terrorists and what not is really disturbing. You see images of children holding guns as if they were raised to commit terrorism. But then you see videos like this one, where one is avenging the death of a loved one. Maybe her husband was innocent and did not deserve to die, but killing more innocent victims to avenge him is not the way to go. Fri, 16 Apr 2010 19:27:35 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/04/creating-terrorists__trashed/#IDComment68415834 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/04/christian-invaders-the-turnaround__trashed/#IDComment68413590 Let me first start off by saying that I am not a person who entrenches himself in, let alone studiously follows, politics. The system is driven by human actions and decisions, which are not standardized the least bit. For a political system to work, not function but work (as in work correctly), decisions would be based on calculations and no personal or moral justifications would play into it. In the case that Sam speaks of, that of the Cristian Invaders and the war on Iraq, there is a lot wrong with both sides of the story. Although I am sure Sam is not against the war in Iraq, as he said in lecture, I do believe it was an awakening experience. Still, let's not forget about other reasons for fighting the war, which do not pertain to oil. Putting myself in the shoes of an Iraqi teen was something I had never done before. I am a firm believer of "putting yourself in somebody else's shoes" in order to gain perspective. It is a tactic that really works and thus really worked for this lecture. This video was also really powerful, which helped to add to my questioning and such. Now, I think George W. Bush is an idiot and do not give him credit for using the term "crusade" in order to describe the war. I strongly believe that he probably thought it was a "cool" way to describe battle and did not consider its religious connotation whatsoever. That being said, I do believe this is a war about 2 things: oil and retaliation. I feel like the oil is the main driving force, and the retaliation is used as justification and to take publicity away from the oil-driven motives. The question I have relates exactly to Sam's point of lecture. After putting yourself in the shoes of Iraqi teens, put yourself back in your own shoes. Looking at the war in Iraq from both lenses, which side do you choose? Some people may really feel bad for what has happened in Iraq to those people and would pick the side of the Iraqi teens, but I do believe most people would not. I look at what has been done to the United States in terms of terrorism and such acts of violence around the world, and I am very for the war against terrorism. Now I am not necessarily for a war on oil rights, but if that should be a bonus of this war, then so be it. The American invasion of Iraq is not terrorism, but the attacks of 9/11 and those in Israel, England, Brazil, or any other recent attack are all terroristic. So do I think some of the things we are doing in Iraq are wrong? Yes. But would I sacrifice those for us to submit and accept terrorism and what it is capable of... No. This is a really hard topic. I don't understand people, I don't understand these religions. I don't understand where these ideas of supported. I really wish all this shit would stop, because there really is no point. Fri, 16 Apr 2010 19:10:57 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/04/christian-invaders-the-turnaround__trashed/#IDComment68413590 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/04/i-really-want-to-know-also__trashed/#IDComment66873998 Honestly this class has not necessary changed the way I think about everything, some things yes, but not everything. But most importantly this class has taught me to do one important thing... THINK. I honestly think about things a lot more, and that includes anything, not just race relations. Now some of my opinions have been changed but not about everything. For one thing, even though it feels like Sam expresses that we should feel guilty about some things involving race, these old things that I used to feel guilty about I really do not anymore. Maybe it is because I now have a better understanding of what they are or what the other side feels about it. For example, topics on slavery. Do I feel guilty about african americans being enslaved in the early united states' history. Honestly, I do not feel guilty. I used to. I used to really feel bad about it. I used to feel like black americans were supposed to pissed off at white people. Like how could us white people do such a thing to black Americans. But after this class, I really do not feel guilty at all. Do I still feel bad? ABSOLUTELY. I feel terrible about it. It was a disgusting and irreprehensible period for America. But it is not like I would do anything like that. Hell no. I care way too much about other people, even people I do not know. I could never stomach such an act. Plus it just was not right. There isn't a person sitting in class that would honestly say they could be a part of slavery, or be a part of "wiping out all white people" or any true hatred like that. I know I could never do this, I do not think anyone else could either. Or societal way of thinking is far too advanced for these kind of acts to continue. Okay so I do feel some way about it. But after THINKING about things because of this class, my feelings are not of guilt and responsibility, but of sadness. I can honestly say, I do see color when it comes to dealing with people. I do not look at someone and say, you did this because you are white or you did this because you are black, or you would say that because you are asian, or whatever. I do not do that. And this class has just solidified my confidence in doing so. You are not poor because you are black, hell like sam said, most AFRICAN americans are really rich. Sam's class may not have changed my thinking, his words may be really repititive and common sense. I may already know what he is going to say or have already heard it 10 times in my life. But, this class has solidified my thinking, and that is what I appreciate. It has taught me that it is okay to question, it is okay to feel certain things, because the truth is, a lot of people are the same. And, the bottom line is this... we are all human, that is what counts the most. Fri, 9 Apr 2010 21:06:24 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/04/i-really-want-to-know-also__trashed/#IDComment66873998 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/03/the-white-minorities__trashed/#IDComment65650464 When reading this post I am really questioning as to why Sam put it up. I could honestly care less as to whether or not white people are going to be the majority at 2050 or not. Here's why. First of all, by the time that white people are not the majority, there will be no concern as to whether or not white people are losing their power, or whatever. We are already at the stage in our country where we have a president that is half black and half white. To most people, that is a great step toward racial equality in our country. So then I start thinking about racial equality in 2050. Who's to say that TRUE racism is going to exist? I have a strong feeling that at the point where whites are not in the majority, our racial differences will no longer be a concern in this nation. Let's be serious, the chances of our next president not being a white male are a lot greater now that we have elected Barack Obama. And I have no problem with this. I hope that whites soon become the minority, and I hope that people of color show that it does not matter who is in the majority because we are all people and we all deserve things equally. However, maybe some think that, "oh man" if whites are not in the majority, the people of color will put us into slavery or limit us from eating in certain restaurants, or attempt to re-segregate our schools in order for people of color to have some revenge-like advantage. I do not know. I hope this does not happen. I do not think this will happen. But, I fell like some people may fear of this. This still does not phase me. I honestly do not think it makes a difference who is the majority because all that matters is who is in charge. Oh wait, now I am starting to think different. This blog stuff is kind of cool because you can change your thoughts mid blog, and still keep blogging. Hey, this is weird. But I digress. No, but seriously, what if people of color really turn against us? Like some of them are really pissed off at white people. Sam showed us that video of the crazy black male who said that all white people need to be exterminated. What if this actually happens, what if people of color go into power, change all the laws, and kill all the black people. I am really scared. What are going to happen to my children. Will they live to see 50? holy crap. Good thing it's Good Friday... Oh wait, I'm jewish. Shit! Okay well, I actually don't think this is going to happen because no person is that sick, no person will actually do that... I hope. Except for maybe Sam. Yeah he would do that, he is such a white hater. God Sam, why do you hate your own people? That is so mean. How would your parents feel about that. Nah, I am just messin with you bro. Fri, 2 Apr 2010 23:32:31 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/03/the-white-minorities__trashed/#IDComment65650464 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/04/is-quality-the-question__trashed/#IDComment65644662 Yo bro. Way to go, you just rocked my world. After attending "the best lecture" this semester, I had many questions similar to your post. It is ridiculous to utilize affirmative action in one specific instance, that being when it comes to affect other people. Sure, AA might be utilized in terms of getting into a specific college, or getting that awesome internship. But when choosing an unqualified applicant over a more qualified one, for a position that will eventually have an affect on someone else's life, is absurd. No one in their right mind would pick someone less qualified if it had a direct affect on his or her life, its just human nature. Fri, 2 Apr 2010 23:12:01 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/04/is-quality-the-question__trashed/#IDComment65644662 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/03/flip-the-script-for-a-moment__trashed/#IDComment64197424 Hey Sam, more power to you. Everything should be questioned, and hopefully always will be. The problem we face more often than not is this idea that, like you said, "there are just some things that we should not discuss." This herd of sheep that is our society is unfortunately a large problem with a lot of the issues we have today. I would love to know truly how many people are put into situations where speaking out against the socially accepted is the right thing to do, but due to some sort of fear of alienation, a person ceases to do the right thing. The lack of originality and individualism I see on a day to day basis is not anywhere close to declining. And, this can be seen in any part of society, especially topics like racism and social norms. Here is a question for you, what the hell is a social norm anyways? Like who are we to decide what is normal and what is not? Stoppping and thinking about this is really frustrating to be honest. We are all hormonal 18 to 20 somethings and I know just as well as the rest of you that being told what to do is about the last thing I want to hear. I know everyone in this class has flipped out or gotten upset when someone told them what to do at some point in their lives. And yet, these ideas and thought processes possessed by the absent minded majority of society unspokenly tell people what to do every day. They tell people how to dress, what to eat, who to be friends with, who to look up to, and most importantly they possess ideas about race and equality. Let me end my post with a little story I am familiar with, a story that still haunts me to this day. As a young child in grade school, there was actually a lot more segregation and social pressures than you probably actually realized. Circa fourth grade Halloween, a few days before the 31st, aka time to figure out who with and where you were trick-or-treating. My best friend at the time, let's call him Jerome and he was up until 8th grade, asked me what my plans were for the festivities. I had no clue so we decided to go together. Later that day on the playground, some other friends I had, who were not friends with Jerome, asked me to go with them. These "cool" kids told me I could not bring Jerome along because that would be too many people and he wasn't their friend (like why the hell would it matter, but I was young and ignorant). So being the asshole 4th grader that some of us probably were I ditched Jerome, who really had no other friends, and told those other kids I'd go with them. How Jerome learned to forgive me after that, I have no clue. He was obviously a better person than me, and I still think about that to this day. The point is that because I gave in to these societal norms, because I did not QUESTION these societal pressures in fourth grade bodies, I failed to do what was right. Always question things for the rest of your life, seriously. Fri, 26 Mar 2010 13:35:34 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/03/flip-the-script-for-a-moment__trashed/#IDComment64197424 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/03/if-men-could-menstruate__trashed/#IDComment64193904 I am a little confused by your tactics. I do not think that there was an issue with the idea of a period at all. I am a man and I had no problem with it. I think the confusion arose with fact that Sam was talking about his wife's period, which could be a private matter for her (obviously we learned otherwise). Obviously tampons would not be free regardless of who had menstrual cycles. If men had periods and tampons were free then shaving supplies, gold bond crotch powder, and condoms would all be free too. Well condoms are free (sort of) but someone still has to pay for production. I do not think it is men that are afraid of talking about a period, but rather afraid of what women will do to them if they bring it up. Fri, 26 Mar 2010 13:05:15 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/03/if-men-could-menstruate__trashed/#IDComment64193904 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/03/whats-the-big-deal-with-periods__trashed/#IDComment64149769 Who do you think you are Mr. Jayhawk? A period is a beautiful thing and it's not part of everyday life for all people you male chauvinist. Women take shits and women have yellow urinations, but do men have periods, uh I think not. Think about having blood stream out of your penis for a couple days each month and having to shove highly absorptive cotton up there ever time. I do not think you would be comfortable. A period is a work of art, Sam is right. Just because you are obviously sensitive about the topic, does not mean you should feel the right to sit on a pedestal and criticize the socially comfortable women that surround you. Good thing you are in a sociology class and not going to be a doctor because you would not last a minute in the operating room. Fri, 26 Mar 2010 05:42:32 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/03/whats-the-big-deal-with-periods__trashed/#IDComment64149769 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/03/are-whites-the-only-people-willing-to-humiliate-themselves__trashed/#IDComment59990288 You bring up a very good point. Why don't the correctly represent the racial and cultural demographics of the united states on shows like the bachelor? I remember hearing about a season of "survivor" that I believe was based upon the "race" of each cast member. I think eve the tribes were split up based on the race of the individuals participating. How can they get away with something like that? Is that even okay to do? When I first heard of the season of that show premiering I was like, "what? can they actually do this? This is bizarre." It is obvious that people are aware of these racial decisions in society, so why don't the people in charge think of these things before they make these decisions. Are they really that ignorant? Sat, 6 Mar 2010 04:34:45 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/03/are-whites-the-only-people-willing-to-humiliate-themselves__trashed/#IDComment59990288 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/03/fired-for-a-scarf__trashed/#IDComment59989672 I hate these stores. I hate these people who run these stores and some of the people who work there as superiors. I have had friends that work at these stores and the stories I hear are so disgusting. How can you be fired from anywhere because of how you look. That type of discrimination is so terrible, I can not even fathom how a person could do such a thing. This news story should have been publicized so much more nationally because Abercrombie and Fitch and Hollister and all of those types of stores would be criticized so greatly for it, it would be amazing. Here is a story from a friend of mine who used to be an employee at Abercrombie and Fitch.... My friend was working one day and a girl walked into the store looking to apply for a position as a sales associate. My friend was the person to meet with the girl, and he went back to the managers office to grab her an application because they were in need of employees and "hiring" at the time. When my friend got to the managers office and told him that there was a girl looking for a job, he expected the manager to be just as pleased as he was because they had been working a lot due to the understaffed store. The manager looked at him and instead of saying "great" and handing him an application for the girl, the manager said "Is she good looking, like would you hook up with her." My friend was so caught off guard because he had no clue what this question was geared towards. I guess he was just assuming that the manager was engaging in some typical "guy talk" (which is offensive like this sometimes), and he said that she was "cute but a little chubby." The manager immediately said, "Chubby? We have a reputation to uphold. Tell her we are not hiring." My friend was shocked, and even though they were understaffed he had to tell the girl that the were not looking for people at the moment, and turned her away. This kind of thing is so ridiculous to hear about. It is so shocking to hear a story like this and wonder if something like this has or could ever happen to you. Many of us will be put in a situation where we hope to be judged by the quality of our resume or interview capabilities. But the fact that there are other determining factors out there like religion, race, LOOKS, ethnicity, traditions, etc. is so disheartening. How can you ever have confidence in yourself if you do not know what you are being judged upon or what is acceptable. We live in a cruel cruel world my friends. Sat, 6 Mar 2010 04:28:28 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/03/fired-for-a-scarf__trashed/#IDComment59989672 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/03/this-is-getting-to-be-too-much__trashed/#IDComment59981890 This is just ridiculous. I don't understand how people can act this way. This kind of makes me think of class the other day when students were putting up nasty comments through text messaging. All of these kinds of actions need to stop, because joking or not joking, they are very offensive. Hanging a noose? Come on. We are supposed to be progressive as a country. We need to realize that all people are equal, no matter their skin color, religion, country of origin, class, etc. Its things like these that make me so disgusted. Especially at a college campus, we are supposed to be educated individuals. Right? Sat, 6 Mar 2010 03:39:05 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/03/this-is-getting-to-be-too-much__trashed/#IDComment59981890 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/02/when-do-we-do-or-say-something__trashed/#IDComment58903528 I was really impressed with the people that stood up to that clerk in the video clip. I think that showed a lot of character of those individuals that stood up for the woman and said something. In terms of the glass being half empty or half full with respect to the progression of ideals in our country, that is another story. The numbers 13 and 22, where 13 stood up and 22 said nothing, had a great impression on me. I try to live my life as a "half full" kind of person, always looking for the positives in things. In this case, I hate to say it, but I feel that the glass is definitely "half empty." If those numbers were switched, I would feel differently. But the fact that so many people did not say anything really shows that we still have a lot of room for improvement. I believe in doing what's right, and the right thing to do in this case would be to stand up for your fellow "man." Sat, 27 Feb 2010 01:58:31 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/02/when-do-we-do-or-say-something__trashed/#IDComment58903528 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/02/native-americans-question-three__trashed/#IDComment58898194 Okay, you bring up a lot of strong points here, but the fact that you do not feel guilty and cannot relate to the event does not justify anything. Listen to this, the way you relate to something or develop an emotional connection to something you are not directly tied to is by sitting down and really putting some thought into it. Just because your family or your distant relatives were not apart of an event like the genocide of Native Americans, or the Holocaust, etc., does not mean you are to be upset when someone says you should illicit an emotional response. I think you missed Sam's point here. It's not that you should feel guilty about what happened, you should just feel and realize what happened. To be honest, the only thing I agree with your unsentimental ass on is the fact that it was a very long time ago that the genocide of Native Americans happened, thus making it less of an issue with our generation. Sam is really just trying to get us to think about this event, because he knows we do not. It's not like he's saying its any of our faults or that we owe an apology to any Native Americans. What he is trying to get at is that we should not forget that this land we live on is not necessarily our land. On that note, is it that we are not deserving of this land, or any land our family "owns". I am not sure. But they key strictly lies in understanding the beginning and where this all came from. We must understand that we stole this land from brothers and sisters and children and parents and aunts and uncles and grandparents just like the ones we have today. We ourselves did not steal this land, but indirectly, even if it was not our ancestors that did the stealing, received stolen goods from others. It may not have been our direct actions, but indirectly we are still at fault for living here. Its kind of like that example from class about the black and white people helping each other out. What I mean is that we did not stand up for the Native Americans once we realized what HAD happened. Our ancestors could have given the land back, or not come here knowing that the previous European inhabitants stole this land. Moreover, define edgy here son. The europeans brought the disease over, thus they indirectly killed more native americans because of it. So your saying that just because Jews died do to starvation in concentration camps, because they were not murdered by the SS soldiers, they should not be counted in the genocide. I think you should think before calling people out on something. Native Americans were still killed by European due to disease, thus it is included in Sam's numbers. Sat, 27 Feb 2010 01:00:59 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/02/native-americans-question-three__trashed/#IDComment58898194 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/02/question-on-discrimination__trashed/#IDComment58895109 That's funny because I was just thinking the same thing. My father owns his own retail store as well and I have asked him about hiring people and what goes into choosing an applicant, etc. He told me it is based solely on the content of the persons resume to get them to an interview. In the interview the determining factor is the ability to use people skills, not who they are. A large portion of my dad's client base are black americans, and I can recall a time when I asked him why he didn't hire more black americans to work. He has 2 black employees and I figured having more would attract more black customers. He explained that its not who the person is, but how they perform in the necessary situation. My dad is an old white man, and he still has a huge black clientel. Its not who you are but how you treat people, no matter what their color. Sat, 27 Feb 2010 00:29:14 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/02/question-on-discrimination__trashed/#IDComment58895109 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/02/lgbt-class-question-three__trashed/#IDComment57700134 I agree. I don't think people are confused at all. If you are bisexual, then you like both sexes. You are not confused. That is like saying if someone likes chocolate and vanilla ice cream they are confused. Why not have them both if you like them both. It is the best of both worlds. Hey, bisexuals have it the best anyways. If they are going out looking for some action, they have twice as good of a chance of getting some. Bisexuality is like anything else, a lifestyle choice. You CHOOSE to be bisexual, you do not just stumble upon it. Therefore you are not confused as a bisexual because you CHOOSE to be bisexual. You just want both, plain and simple. Sat, 20 Feb 2010 00:56:52 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/02/lgbt-class-question-three__trashed/#IDComment57700134