en-us https://www.intensedebate.com/users/696069 Comments by ObjCritic http://cliffkirkpatrick.mvourtown.com/2010/11/13/cliff-postgame/#IDComment109701813 Cliff, it WAS how they performed. WSU deserved to win; they were more prepared, they wanted a win more, and they executed better, don't take that away from them. OSU was terrible. OSU performs poorly in both fundamental aspects of the game - blocking and tackling, and its not like there's a bunch of redshirt freshmen starting for OSU. Keep in mind the number of returning starters OSU has on this team, and all of the players are in-system kids; Riley et al's recruits. Also, this was Dad's Weekend, with a willing and supportive crowd. I was at the WSU game in Pullman last year, and there's not enough change in OSU's roster to explain the 180 degree turnaround in outcome. Sure the o-line lacks talent, but this team is not prepared well and is not well coached. Banker at least needs to go, he's a damn dinosaur who fails to acknowledge the change in DI football wrought by the asteroids and climate change that are read/spread option offenses. He wants to be a head coach, let him go find a job. Further, they have no energy or fire, and they're not getting it from Riley, whose only expression of emotion on the sidelines (shown on tv) was to put his hands on his head in exasperation and signal what we all know; he doesn't have any answers. WSU inserts read-option plays for OSU, and Tuel outrushes Quizz. That's pathetic. Banker cannot get his squad to play the option any better today than they did at TCU at the beginning of the season. Gee, I hope nobody left on the schedule figures that out.... Personally, I was glad to see FSN show WSU's celebration at the end of the game. They earned it. Sun, 14 Nov 2010 05:29:24 +0000 http://cliffkirkpatrick.mvourtown.com/2010/11/13/cliff-postgame/#IDComment109701813 http://cliffkirkpatrick.mvourtown.com/2010/10/18/cliff-osu-scheduling-notes/#IDComment104730154 1. Tackling. 2. Run Blocking. 3. Additional reps for Poyer, Collins, Wilson at their positions (at the expense of reps for the people they share time with - in other words, get them ready for a larger role/more playing time and then give them more game reps. 4. Play sets designed to take advantage of Wheaton and Poyer's abilities specifically to address James' loss; return sets for both (imagine Poyer throwing back to Wheaton on the other side of the field), Poyer in the "WildCat" formation - Quizz lines up as QB, Poyer as RB, then Quizz runs out to a reciever position, Poyer takes a direct snap and can run or throw (he's a former QB/Baseball player and obviously has good speed). Tue, 19 Oct 2010 05:50:14 +0000 http://cliffkirkpatrick.mvourtown.com/2010/10/18/cliff-osu-scheduling-notes/#IDComment104730154 http://cliffkirkpatrick.mvourtown.com/2010/10/17/cliff-washington-fallout/#IDComment104557921 As long as Riley makes a bowl game, he gets another year added to his contract. Mediocrity is assured. The clause needs to be changed to "2nd place in Pac-10 or better," so OSU can go to Holiday Bowl, or Alamo Bowl, whichever is second place bowl now, or Rose bowl. After a while, Emerald Bowls and Las Vegas bowls just aren't very satisfying or meaningful. I think its time DeCarolis tells Riley its time for Banker to go. He's not evolving his defense to keep up with the changes in offenses, and he doesn't seem to be very adaptive (either with schemes or getting the more athletic players on the field). Mon, 18 Oct 2010 03:46:52 +0000 http://cliffkirkpatrick.mvourtown.com/2010/10/17/cliff-washington-fallout/#IDComment104557921 http://cliffkirkpatrick.mvourtown.com/2010/10/16/cliff-washington-postgame-2/#IDComment104495628 And with a bye week, instead of practicing to improve offensive line play, linebacker play, and tackling, I bet the coaching staff gives the team some extra days off... Sun, 17 Oct 2010 16:50:24 +0000 http://cliffkirkpatrick.mvourtown.com/2010/10/16/cliff-washington-postgame-2/#IDComment104495628 http://cliffkirkpatrick.mvourtown.com/2010/10/10/cliff-arizona-fallout/#IDComment103400483 Riley needs to step it up with the officials on 1) making challenges of bad calls and 2) protecting his players. He doesn't do either enough, the first is a strategic mistake, the second is just both amazing and irresponsible. When opposing players are going after your team, as we've seen with cheap shots on both James and Quizz (BSU, ASU, and UA), Riley needs to get after the officials. Mon, 11 Oct 2010 04:58:26 +0000 http://cliffkirkpatrick.mvourtown.com/2010/10/10/cliff-arizona-fallout/#IDComment103400483 http://cliffkirkpatrick.mvourtown.com/2010/09/26/cliff-bsu-fallout/#IDComment101278395 OSU is simply getting outcoached. Somewhere you mentioned Cliff that for TCU and BSU, their contests against OSU were big games, "circled on the calendar" in effect. That had to be true of OSU as well. TCU may have more talented players than OSU (and that may be debatable), BSU certainly does not. If these games are bigger for them than for OSU, than that just means that OSU isn't interested in a championship or a high level bowl, because winning these games, even if they are out of conference has high value for OSU's ranking, and thus their bowl destinations at the end of the year. The continuing pattern of slow starts is indicative of Riley and staff's inability to learn, adapt, and teach so that the same mistakes aren't repeated. They have far too many starters on both sides of the ball, and too many of their own players in the system, for too long, to be wandering around "looking for their identity." Its the coaching staff's job to form the identity. Its not as if they're starting another staff's recruits or a bunch of true freshmen. Riley has commented on the quality tackling of TCU ("maybe the best" he's seen) and BSU. Why doesn't OSU have as one of its goals to be the best tackling team in the country? Even players are saying they need to practice tackling more in camp. Yet Hardin can't tackle Moore on a corner blitz, and Collins(?) gives up a 55 yard run, not unlike Mitchell's inability to tackle Masoli and keep him from converting on 4th down. All who wander are not lost, but some who wander just can't learn. Time for Bob DeCarolis to say "Look, at the rate you guys are compensated, we can't have the same problems every year. Mike, you've got to accept that its time for Banker to move on." And I know that Riley and staff aren't among the highest paid coaches in the Pac-10, but you can bet Riley's among the highest paid on OSU's campus. I for one won't renew season tickets if the coaches keep this up. They're not doing the best by the players or the fans. Tue, 28 Sep 2010 02:52:36 +0000 http://cliffkirkpatrick.mvourtown.com/2010/09/26/cliff-bsu-fallout/#IDComment101278395 http://cliffkirkpatrick.mvourtown.com/2010/09/19/cliff-louisville-aftermath/#IDComment99934842 The ability of the Beavs D to learn appears low/slow, which is at least partly a reflection of the ability of Banker to teach (coach). The lack of improvement between games 1 and 2 was astounding, particularly given the clarity of the problems and the extra week of practice. And players saying they need to tackle more in practice because in practice they essentially are coached to run to the ball and not finishing enough?!? They could explain players overrunning the same plays time and time again (Miller), and flailing around with arm tackles (Pankey). There's an old saying that you play how you practice. And look what happened when Dockery made a decision to make a play on the ball instead of just run next to the receiver and not look for the ball- a rare OSU CB interception. BSU's Moore will love the way OSU's CB's are coached. Interesting to note - Louisville had 317 yards vs Kentucky, 388 vs Eastern Kentucky, and 453 vs. OSU. I think ABC is going to have to have a bunch of filler material to talk about in a blowout BSU victory. Time for Banker to go after this season. Mon, 20 Sep 2010 15:42:39 +0000 http://cliffkirkpatrick.mvourtown.com/2010/09/19/cliff-louisville-aftermath/#IDComment99934842 http://cliffkirkpatrick.mvourtown.com/2010/09/06/cliff-recruiting-news-4/#IDComment97457494 This is an interesting contrast this with your article on the offensive line, and its predominance of walk-on players. Why is it OSU cannot consistently recruit *** lineman? I know the rating system has its problems, but every year I read about Cavanaugh being one of the best offensive line coaches in the nation. One would think recruits would be attracted to that. OSU can recruit skill players consistently, and OSU's fans like the ratings when OSU gets them. What is the challenge in getting the offensive lineman - just a numbers game? This is not to disparage walk-ons - as individuals, they are high achievers and should be commended. But for the program, it indicates a consistent inability to recruit. Tue, 7 Sep 2010 15:38:20 +0000 http://cliffkirkpatrick.mvourtown.com/2010/09/06/cliff-recruiting-news-4/#IDComment97457494 http://cliffkirkpatrick.mvourtown.com/2010/09/01/cliff-football-uniform/#IDComment96451574 too dam funny. RIley hopes to get one year of production out of him after 3 years of development and one year of redshirt... Wed, 1 Sep 2010 18:11:33 +0000 http://cliffkirkpatrick.mvourtown.com/2010/09/01/cliff-football-uniform/#IDComment96451574 http://cliffkirkpatrick.mvourtown.com/2010/09/01/cliff-football-uniform/#IDComment96434826 Because they're willing to make things "different" and "edgy" and the cost of making thembetter. Wed, 1 Sep 2010 17:13:21 +0000 http://cliffkirkpatrick.mvourtown.com/2010/09/01/cliff-football-uniform/#IDComment96434826 http://cliffkirkpatrick.mvourtown.com/2010/09/01/cliff-football-uniform/#IDComment96402949 Is it Christmas morning in Cleveland? Looks like a lil' kid in a Cleveland Browns uniform....College football fashion shows...this is sexist. Why aren't they doing this with the cheerleaders?!? On the helmets suggested by Angry, I'd go with black facemask on the white, orange facemask on the black. Wed, 1 Sep 2010 15:17:16 +0000 http://cliffkirkpatrick.mvourtown.com/2010/09/01/cliff-football-uniform/#IDComment96402949 http://cliffkirkpatrick.mvourtown.com/2010/08/31/cliff-tcu-media-prep/#IDComment96191276 Wow, that sounds ridiculous. McAndrews has less game experience, OSU has one of the toughest preseason schedules in the country, and the job is McAndrews' for unless he gets hurt? And Philipp does NOT move to left guard to get the best players on the field? Its hard to believe that Philipps has missed so much time due to injury that he's somehow behind the other offensive lineman and that putting an "old" rookie in the game improve's OSU's chances for victory. Either McAndrews is REALLY good, or Riley can't wait to tell a "neat story" about him getting to play his final year after never being able to see the field. I hope he's really good. Tue, 31 Aug 2010 18:51:31 +0000 http://cliffkirkpatrick.mvourtown.com/2010/08/31/cliff-tcu-media-prep/#IDComment96191276 http://cliffkirkpatrick.mvourtown.com/2010/08/26/cliff-cornerbacks/#IDComment95416150 "The strength of the Oregon State football team’s defense should be the secondary, safeties in particular." - I'm surprised at that comment. I thought OSU's defense was strong with the starting D-line and CB's, and weak in the middle with inexperienced LB and Safeties susceptible to the deep ball. It sounds like the safeties have been getting deep repeatedly, particularly Tuimaunei. Didn't Katz recently throw three 60-yard or three 80-yard TD passes in a row in a recent practice? Hasn't Banker been quoted as yelling "Somebody cover somebody!"? Thu, 26 Aug 2010 20:43:44 +0000 http://cliffkirkpatrick.mvourtown.com/2010/08/26/cliff-cornerbacks/#IDComment95416150 http://cliffkirkpatrick.mvourtown.com/2010/08/16/cliff-heisman-voting-quizz/#IDComment93584436 cliff - do you know, or could you find out, if Riley et al are spending extra time preparing their young QB's for the non-standard alignments they'll see against TCU (4-2-5 defense ) and BSU (may be playing a 3-3-5 from what I've read)? Or, is Riley just going to prepare them for the particular D in the week before the game? Seems like Katz and Vaz should be studying TCU film now. Tue, 17 Aug 2010 04:06:09 +0000 http://cliffkirkpatrick.mvourtown.com/2010/08/16/cliff-heisman-voting-quizz/#IDComment93584436 http://cliffkirkpatrick.mvourtown.com/2010/05/29/cliff-thinking-recruiting/#IDComment77940523 But think how much better OSU could do. Looking at players like Jeremy Francis, Jovan Stevenson, and Malcom Marable, Bernard seems to have become the model for Riley - find a tough, shifty, small, not-too-fast back that nobody else recruits too hard. But what if Bernard were a step-and-a-half faster - how many of his 20 or 30 yard runs would have been tens of yards longer? How many more TD's would he have scored? What if it makes a difference in 1 0r 2 games a year? The bowl implications are meaningful, suddenly, the Beavs are in San Diego or Pasadena instead of LV or El Paso. OSU is going to be loaded with WR's and has a promising depth at QB with Katz/Vaz/Mannion. A top flight RB with speed IS a need if OSU wants to take the next step. They have the opportunity, with the attention paid nationally to Quizz, to step up their expectations of who they can recruit and acquire. Mon, 31 May 2010 19:58:06 +0000 http://cliffkirkpatrick.mvourtown.com/2010/05/29/cliff-thinking-recruiting/#IDComment77940523 http://cliffkirkpatrick.mvourtown.com/2010/05/29/cliff-thinking-recruiting/#IDComment77925586 I think OSU should be taking advantage of this opportunity to promote BOTH brothers for the Heismann. Neither has a great shot at winning (seems to require no more than a one loss season, to be in the NC title hunt, and to garner votes from the football crazed south) unless Quizz just gets ridiculous and scores 30+ TD's. A campaign something like: "Vote for J. Rodgers" with each featured on the "ballot." James is incredibly important to the team, and even with the publicity he gets, "under rated" or under appreciated if you will, because Quizz gets so much attention and James is almost taken for granted. If you look at his total production, there's probably not many other players doing what James is. Promote them both, take advantage of their last year together and their unique talents and qualities. Promoting two candidates who happen to be brothers would make OSU stand out. I agree OSU should be recruiting highly rated RB's with a demonstrated history of production (the latter being Riley's key indicator). The "stars" aren't always important, but there are players that deserve them, and anybody is kidding themselves if they wouldn't like to see such a player come to corvallis. Beaver fans say its not important because Riley doesn't have a history of landing such players, but if he could, everyone would enjoy it. Mon, 31 May 2010 17:09:50 +0000 http://cliffkirkpatrick.mvourtown.com/2010/05/29/cliff-thinking-recruiting/#IDComment77925586 http://cliffkirkpatrick.mvourtown.com/2010/05/13/cliff-beavers-notes/#IDComment75379383 Well, OSU's graphics and editing are getting MUCH better, but the message and tag lines are still weak. Not sure what hurricanes have to do with Corvallis (isn't that Miami?). So far we've been encouraged to "let it rage", we're told players are orange, and now the power of the hurricane. Its tremendous progress in terms of graphics, but needs some more work. How about "O-S-You!" with montages of the players and crowd, with the crowd chant playing over the footage? Something more OSU-centric (and the chant is a crowd favorite at games) with the same quality of video editing... Fri, 14 May 2010 05:48:05 +0000 http://cliffkirkpatrick.mvourtown.com/2010/05/13/cliff-beavers-notes/#IDComment75379383 http://cliffkirkpatrick.mvourtown.com/2010/04/30/cliff-kahut-on-kicking/#IDComment71541120 Well, yeah, there is that fundamental issue of lining up on the line of scrimmage appropriately (7 or more on the LOS at the snap) I don't expect them to all be "wide"...but the gist of my question is are there any new groupings of receivers that may result in some different looks than we've seen recently. Fri, 30 Apr 2010 19:57:01 +0000 http://cliffkirkpatrick.mvourtown.com/2010/04/30/cliff-kahut-on-kicking/#IDComment71541120 http://cliffkirkpatrick.mvourtown.com/2010/04/30/cliff-kahut-on-kicking/#IDComment71533559 Cliff - notice any different 4 or 5(!) receiver sets in development and use this spring? Seems with all the talent at WR (Rodgers, Wheaton, Bishop, Nichols, Munoz, Ghwacham, etc. - they could even put Quizz and Halahuni out there in slots. ) Riley and Langsdorf would be crazy not to exploit that strength and put in some new sets. Fri, 30 Apr 2010 19:01:03 +0000 http://cliffkirkpatrick.mvourtown.com/2010/04/30/cliff-kahut-on-kicking/#IDComment71533559 http://cliffkirkpatrick.mvourtown.com/2010/04/09/cliff-spring-scrum/#IDComment66964204 The news about the O-line isn't very encouraging - its not like OSU's DE's scared anyone last year. Imagine if Paea had played. The depth on the o-line seems very thin, with several recruits (McAndrews, Oshinowo) never really panning out or contributing. What's it going to take to get better o-line talent to corvallis- not just one or two starters, but solid across the line and depth? Sat, 10 Apr 2010 06:06:57 +0000 http://cliffkirkpatrick.mvourtown.com/2010/04/09/cliff-spring-scrum/#IDComment66964204