Yeah you’re probably right. However since the replacement Tory candidates will have destroyed the economy they will lose to the LibDems and Labour. You will have an ideologically pure Brexit Tory party but with very few MPs and no hope of winning an election.

Well done all.

My prediction, when we’re out and the economy is crashing and Scotland and Ireland have seceded and we have a Marxist government shuffled in due to voter disgust at our parties incompetence and malice, the first people you will be blaming for these disasters will be the “Remoaners”.

The “debate” will still be the Brexiteers whinging that reality hasn’t matched their ideology.

Sorry, the Irish are the ones deliberately driving a hard border through their communities?

Yes. Read up on the Troubles.

It will produce less lamb. Now, I’m going to type slowly so you can get this through your addled brain. If we sell less lamb that means we make less money. If we sell 40% less lamb we will make a similar percentage less money.

If we make less money that means we are poorer. I hope you’re still following, I know this is hard. If we’re poorer people are sad. If people are sad they don’t vote for the morons that inflicted the sadness on them.

Oops, sorry about “inflicted”, “made them sad”.

Now multiply by every sector of the economy.

Yeah yeah, the usual blather. It’s everyone else’s fault. Leavers are the sorest winners in history. Whining that the game isn’t fair and that the other side is sledging them. You won the referendum so what did you do? Backstabbed and connived and disagreed with each other until, in relief you finally settled in May to lead you out of the morass of your own making.

Then the EU didn’t roll over and give you what you wanted, as you’d assured everyone they would. Whose fault was that? The evil EU of course, for sticking up for their members. Which ironically was something you lot said they didn’t do.

Then it became clear that Brexit was foundering on the exact points identified by experts prior to the referendum, specifically Ireland. Whose fault now? The people who claimed it would be easy and dismissed expert advice as “Project Fear”? No, now it was somehow a loyal and dedicated civil service and fifth column remainers all evilly thwarting the brilliant plans you still somehow couldn’t elucidate even given two years.

Now you’ve decided that a referendum in which all parties explicitly ruled out No Deal is a crashing mandate for destroying the economy, splitting the Union, and trashing Britain’s reputation. Anyone gainsaying you is shouted down as one of these evil anti democratic fifth columnists.

I’ll grant you, given three years you have finally figured out a plan. It’s bloody stupid, consists largely of giving up, and anyone opposing it should be applauded, but at least it’s a plan.

But please, please, please stop whinging about how it’s everyone else’s fault. You come across as stupid petulant children.

On what basis do you say THAT?!?

By every analysis, including the ERGs, there will be economic disruption on a large scale after a no deal Brexit. A huge amount of people who supported it will feel they were lied to. They will either believe it was not “done properly” and is down to incompetence or that it was done illegitimately (e.g. proroguing).

In either case enquiries WILL be set up and they WILL find significant wrongdoing and unethical behaviour across the board. This will lead inevitably into even more distrust from the public and likely even more division. This will be the Tories Chilcot report, and will almost certainly result in the Tories out of power for decades or longer.

But sure, you don’t think there will be negative effects.

There are no good ways out of this mess now. Not one. EVERY single road leads to greater division, partisanship, and toxic atmosphere; and a great many to economic ruin or damage.

Remainers value economics over sovereignty and leavers the reverse. There seems to be no appetite for compromise and so whichever side “wins”, this will poison the political atmosphere for decades to come.

It will be the ultimate Phyrric victory.

Not sure who you think you’re replying to. I said nothing about bananas, and am unlikely to make a hobby of being pro-EU, that was my first post and I’m hardly blue and gold.

You’re quite right that trade deficits have knock on effects, but only a few are negative. The main knock on effect they have is increased overall wealth. The others are lately along the line of side effects.

Not sure how you could be passionate about Global Britain if you don’t believe in free trade? Surely the main advantage of leaving the EU was to strike trade deals elsewhere?

Do you think they’re all going to be trade surpluses? Or even that they’ll reverse the balance of payments? It’s unlikely they will, however that’s not a bad thing.

The USA has the most expensive healthcare in the world and worse outcomes than many others. Whilst the NHS has many issues, it seems to me (having lived in a country with privatised healthcare for many years) that there are worse systems than the NHS.

The fundamental problem with the NHS is simple economics: there always has to be rationing for scarce resources. It’s either money or access that is used for rationing. The NHS uses rationing (queues, delays, authorisations). This is not wrong per se, but it’s the natural outcome of choosing not to use money.

Before deciding to change systems, how about deciding what outcome you want? Do you want poor people turned away from healthcare? If so, to what level? Lifestyle, elective, preventative, essential, or critical?

Oh dear, it still blows my mind that people believe this mercantilist tripe. Whilst being simple and easy to understand it’s utterly wrong. No professional economist believes this. Simply put, countries are not households, and trade grows wealth and doesn’t just shift it around.

There’s a great book on this by a good British chap called Adam Smith.

If I buy something from you for £5 it’s because it’s worth at least £5 of value to me. I haven’t LOST anything unless I’m incorrect on my valuation of the goods. Generally I’ve GAINED because it’s worth more to me than the £5. In most cases much more.

Trade deficits also don’t take into account FDI, which in the UK’s case are massive.