en-us https://www.intensedebate.com/users/428646 Comments by Mr_Dizz http://theglennbeck912project.com/9principles12values/#IDComment18420835 Nicely done Dave. I haven't seen or heard much of Glenn lately (work, work) but I did find the segment on YouTube. I don't think you are a "crazy militia type". I too wonder what will we do when they come knocking on our doors to collect our guns. Once we surrender them over the battle to keep them will be over as well. We all need to be of the same mind when it comes to what we will do when the line is crossed. I don't like being compared to Timothy McVay but I don't want to be compared to a passivist that gave up his guns either. What do we do? Where is the orginization that can lead us at the proper time? Shouldn't we be ready "before" the movement to disarm the citizens begins? Are you listening Glenn? We know their are nut cases out there but what about the rest of us?! What good are my guns if I can't use them to defend myself from enemies (domestic)? I admire your passion for this issue Dave. (wish we could agree on Principle #2) Thu, 9 Apr 2009 09:14:44 +0000 http://theglennbeck912project.com/9principles12values/#IDComment18420835 http://theglennbeck912project.com/9principles12values/#IDComment18420149 I feel that believing in Principle #2 is a very important part of truely being a member of the 9-12. It doesn't make you a bad person, just perhaps not the best for the 9-12. I am sure their are other orginazations that have people with your same view. Just google "liberal" or "moderate" and their should be plenty of choices for you to pick among. Maybe that is a little harsh but I guess if principle #2 wasn't in there I wouldn't be a member and then maybe I should go google "right wing" or "extremist" myself. (I am sure you could think of more) It's ok, I can dish it out, and I can take it! Thu, 9 Apr 2009 08:43:08 +0000 http://theglennbeck912project.com/9principles12values/#IDComment18420149 http://theglennbeck912project.com/9principles12values/#IDComment18419842 Well said khayes1, even tho jkopecky and Dave my disagree. Marriage is a commitment that many are affraid to make. God ordained marraige as a commitment between a man and a woman much like the way he is commited to us and we are to him once we have accepted him. Commitment is a scarey thing to people that only have selfish motives and want an easy way out. I am glad God gave marraige to a man and a woman. I am glad our sodiers are "commited" to defending our country. What would we do if they all fled when the battle got too difficult or they just got tired and wanted to go home? Marriage is a commitment plain and simple. Living together is merely a gesture of good faith and intent. Should gays be allowed "marriage" protected by law? Absolutely not! If the government wants to call it something else, fine but marriage is a religious matter between a man and a woman and God. Government keep your paws off! Thu, 9 Apr 2009 08:28:39 +0000 http://theglennbeck912project.com/9principles12values/#IDComment18419842 http://theglennbeck912project.com/9principles12values/#IDComment18419144 mcdonsco, you are developing an uncanny knack for provoking response from the religious. If you want to move along the discussion... then by all means, move on! Thu, 9 Apr 2009 08:01:54 +0000 http://theglennbeck912project.com/9principles12values/#IDComment18419144 http://theglennbeck912project.com/9principles12values/#IDComment18418906 Either God is the most imprtant thing in ones life or he is not imprtant at all. He can't be 2nd or 3rd, he is God! We can accept God as the number one priority if you believe in him, and then call on him for guidence in matters relating to getting this nation back on track with it's policies. I think that over time there will be less religious talk. My view is that since God is the most important issue in most peoples lives, once this importance is established we can move on to the other issues. Let's start at the top of the list and work down. Thu, 9 Apr 2009 07:53:06 +0000 http://theglennbeck912project.com/9principles12values/#IDComment18418906 http://theglennbeck912project.com/9principles12values/#IDComment18418166 We have to fight these laws that take away our right to own firearms before they are enacted and fight even harder after they are enacted. I am not going to just sit on my couch and watch the television with my fingers crossed hoping each day enough people fought hard enough to get something done that I want done. Then go to work griping and complaining about how the country is going to " hell in a handbasket! " We all have to get off our butt and do something, anything to get the attention of those in power and let them know we disapprove or approve of what they are doing. Even if you have to go after their supporters (campain contributers etc.) I would not suggest breaking any carry laws. That can only lead to trouble for you. Obtain a permit to carry legaly, and if your state or local government has laws against them, then rinse and repeat above. But if there ever comes the time we must "surrender" our firearms completely... I would consider that to be crossing the line! Then you can sit on your couch and watch me on television from a helicopter cam defending my 2nd amendment right! (did you hear that mayor Nagin!?) Thu, 9 Apr 2009 07:26:54 +0000 http://theglennbeck912project.com/9principles12values/#IDComment18418166 http://theglennbeck912project.com/9principles12values/#IDComment18400571 To tell the truth BR80, I have never heard of the 5000 year leap, but it sounds like a must read. Like I have said before, the truth seems to always find its way to the surface in all of us eventually. Just hope it will not be to late for most. Thu, 9 Apr 2009 02:18:37 +0000 http://theglennbeck912project.com/9principles12values/#IDComment18400571 http://theglennbeck912project.com/9principles12values/#IDComment18336202 Calm down Fisk202, no one is saying that people in this country are perfect or ever has been. In fact when it comes to being imperfect, Christians are the first ones to get the finger pointed at them. We are imperfect, all of us are, but where we grow stronger is in realizing it. The Jim Crow laws were not part of the constitution and were instituted by state and local laws. The point is they were wrong and we learned that. The constitution prevailed just as the truth always does. We can learn from our mistakes and we can admit our faults and then move on. The good and bad things from the past are a part of our heritage, but which do you choose to embrace? Is it healthy to dwell on the mistakes of your own life? Or should we admit our wrong, acknowledge what was the right thing to do and continue down a right path? So to bring you back on point, God was and is an issue not only in our government but in our daily lives. Even tho we are imperfect, the ideals and principles that our nation was founded on were based on a perfect ideology. So lets forget the mistakes and remember the greatness and always acknowledge God as the inspiration behind the constitution and I promise not to blow you up! Wed, 8 Apr 2009 02:37:43 +0000 http://theglennbeck912project.com/9principles12values/#IDComment18336202 http://theglennbeck912project.com/9principles12values/#IDComment18307381 Thank you JQ_Citizen for rectifying that for me. It means much more the way that you stated it. I appreciate you for noticing and publishing the correct intent. Maybe now with your reply the message in that statement means even more to those that read it. (it did to me) Tue, 7 Apr 2009 17:34:19 +0000 http://theglennbeck912project.com/9principles12values/#IDComment18307381 http://theglennbeck912project.com/9principles12values/#IDComment18305670 The United States of America! A wonderful concept created by our founding fathers under the influence of thier Christain heritage and the Holy Bible even tho they did not require one to worship "thier" God, but only to follow the laws written in the constitution. I don't mean to keep commenting on "God" and his influence on this nation but it still seems to be a hot topic. So why is God such an issue? I believe it is because most people believe that in order to be an American you must be a Christain. That is not true. It is true our founding fathers were Christains and the republic they formed was created around Christain principles and morals. True Christianity is a very tolerant religion thus making the United States a very tolerant nation except when our rights, liberty and freedom are threatened. This was so evident in our earliest years as a nation. Immigrants came from all corners of the earth to live here and were recieved. Everyone knew that America was a country of mostly Christian people and that Christians were very tolerant of thier differences. All Americans wanted was for the immigrants to be tolerant of "thier" differences. People came here knowing the Christian priciples that most Americans believed and that this nation was founded upon and there were no problems because they knew that even if they were not Christian that thier rights to worship and to have life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness would never be infringed because Christians were "tolerant". This was accepted by all that immigrated here. We stood side by side on the front lines of many wars fighting and dying for this great nation not to protect Christianity but to defend the constitution and our "freedom". But now people flow into this country and are even born here with the intent of "changing" those principles, morales and even the laws that the constitution was written to protect, but in doing so would destroy the very fabric of which this republic was founded, eroding the laws and rights one by one untill America is no longer "America". So I ask all who read this that are not "Christians", can we agree that we must protect the constitution reguardless of religous beliefs or ideology? Can we agree that what the founding fathers did was good and thier intent was for the good of "all"? Can we agree together that changing "anything" in the constitution would dilute the strength of this nation? And lastly, can we agree that Christians founded this country and that's ok because you can still worship however, whatever and whoever you want? Then why try to fix something that is not broke? The system is breaking down currently because people keep trying to fix (change) it! I hope everyone watched the video that was posted on this site by the administrators on the difference between a Democracy and a Republic. This nation is a Republic governed by laws. Laws that are governed by the constitution. Notice governed by the "constitution" and not the Christian God even tho inspired by him. A republic that will stand as long as it does not become a democracy voted right out of its constitutional "pants"! Accept the truth about the influence of God in the forming of our republic. Appreciate the fact that it is this God who gave our founding fathers the wisdom that gave you the liberties and freedoms you have today! And be thankful that the government here in America will not force you to worship any god that you do not choose. Wake up and just accept the fact that Christians founded this nation, now go out and protect it! If you don't agree with it, immigrate to a country that better suits you. But if you decide to stay, I will fight to the death to protect you and your rights granted you by this wonderful country! "I pledge allegence to the flag of the United States of America, and to the "Republic" for which it stands, one nation, under "God" (undeniable fact that God had a role in forming this nation) with liberty and justice for "all"! Now let's all go out and vote out all that wish to do harm to this country. Vote out all that are against a republic. Vote out all that are for an ever increasing government (before we are taxed to the point of rebellion). Vote out all that want to take away "any" of the rights guaranteed us by the constitution. Vote out all who want to not just "separate" the church and state but "remove" the church from the state! (this is for everyones sake) "God bless all of you and God bless the United States of America!" Tue, 7 Apr 2009 17:10:03 +0000 http://theglennbeck912project.com/9principles12values/#IDComment18305670 http://theglennbeck912project.com/9principles12values/#IDComment17924019 I have only been a member of this group for a few days and I have read many comments about many different things. Some good, some ok, and some bad. Some think the discussion on religion is going to far and we should stay on subject. And while I can agree that religious debates either get out of hand or never end in agreement I believe that religion is the rock on which conservative values are built. We could argue on this forum with liberals all month long about the existance of God, but without God conservatism is without direction. The 9 Principles and 12 values are a great way to rally all conservatives on a common goal of not only changing government but saving it from itself. But I do hope that all conservatives here understand the importance of realizing that God is the inspiration for all of our beliefs system. I am not talking about the kind of blind faith where you close your eyes and when you open them all will be well but faith with purpose. Faith in God that endows us with wisdom that can be best used to live, have liberty and certainly to persue happiness. Without God there would be no morality, charity, compassion tolerance and certainly no happiness. There would be and ever growing problem with crime, hate, misrepresntation, corruption, irresposible spending, deception, GREED and loss of even more liberties. The more we make God less important the farther we fall away from his grace and blessings as a nation (and individualy), and our children grow up separated even further from him and the truth. Our founding fathers realized this and tried to establish a government based on the principle that God was the only way to form a more perfect union and that only under his rule would this great nation prevail. The only way that our nation can endure and survive is for all of us to understand and believe in one common fact... that Jesus is Lord and our great nation was concieved in his honor and for his glory and always have him as the head with the rest of us serving him so that we can best serve one another. I am (not really) sorry if this offends some of you but the truth sometimes does that. Truth is the only thing that stands upright in a crooked world and everyone should see it because it has power over everything. Once we all agree on the truth then and only then can we return this nation to the grace of God. Then and only then can we"re-establish" this nation and continue the divine path they set us on over 200 years ago. Edmund Burke once said..."The only thing necessary for the triumph [of evil] is for good men to do nothing." So lets do something. Let us take back our nation. Restore the truth and once we do that we can "Restore our Republic! One nation, under God with Liberty and Justice for All!" Tue, 31 Mar 2009 19:11:47 +0000 http://theglennbeck912project.com/9principles12values/#IDComment17924019 http://theglennbeck912project.com/9principles12values/#IDComment17920825 "Can I get an Amen for Aldonp?" And did I hear you correctly Demonsthenes?... "The founding fathers did not consider everyone equal. They meant that they were created as individuals with all of the inequality that this entails." Maybe I missed something in the translation or did the free masons encode some secrete notation in the Declaration of Independence that only the "upper class equals" can see? Tue, 31 Mar 2009 17:43:08 +0000 http://theglennbeck912project.com/9principles12values/#IDComment17920825 http://theglennbeck912project.com/9principles12values/#IDComment17920301 Why do people keep bringing up "separation of church and state"? Can someone refer me to where that is mentioned in the constitution, bill of rights or even the declaration of independence? I believe however there is a mention of a letter that Thomas Jefferson wrote to the Danbury Baptist Association in 1802 where he wrote: "Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man & his god, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, thus building a wall of separation between church and state." Other than this letter there is no mention in the constitution of "separation of church and state". The first amendment to the constitution reads: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. (I really like the part about "or prohibiting the free exercise therof")... but there you have it, so stop using the phrase " separation of church and state" like it is the law or something... it was just in a letter... so relax and accept it. Tue, 31 Mar 2009 17:28:03 +0000 http://theglennbeck912project.com/9principles12values/#IDComment17920301 http://theglennbeck912project.com/9principles12values/#IDComment17900122 I agree with your statement to ignore Anon but more the point is why does Anon waist so much time "bashing" here on this forum instead of rallying his fellow liberals on a liberal forum. Makes you stop to think and wonder if all the accusations from liberals of conservatives being bashers and hate mograls is really just the pot calling the kettle black. Get a life Anon then get a group to interact with that shares your ideas unless there are none that are as credible as this forum in which case your persistance here only proves that we are on to something. I guess the truth always draws a crowd. Tue, 31 Mar 2009 06:20:11 +0000 http://theglennbeck912project.com/9principles12values/#IDComment17900122 http://theglennbeck912project.com/9principles12values/#IDComment17636654 Refer to my reply from earlier: The Bible tells us that God knew us "before he formed us in the womb" and "before we were born, he set us apart" So if you believe that there is a God, then you have to believe that abortion is taking the life a person whos life was already recognized by our creator and a sensless murder before him. Thu, 26 Mar 2009 18:26:30 +0000 http://theglennbeck912project.com/9principles12values/#IDComment17636654 http://theglennbeck912project.com/9principles12values/#IDComment17636315 The Bible tells us that God knew us "before he formed us in the womb" and "before we were born, he set us apart" So if you believe that there is a God, then you have to believe that abortion is taking the life a person whos life was already recognized by our creator and a sensless murder before him. Abortion is not a choice or a right, it is a "convenience" for those who should have made thier "choice" before they decided to concieve. Thank God I am an abortion survivor! Thu, 26 Mar 2009 18:18:43 +0000 http://theglennbeck912project.com/9principles12values/#IDComment17636315 http://theglennbeck912project.com/9principles12values/#IDComment17635605 "Believe it or not, your constant dissenting point of view is very uniting for the rest of us. Thank you for that. Please give us more, you are doing a wonderful job!" After getting so aggrivated from reading so many of these argumentative comments, "PoliticalJules" saves my day and I can go to bed and sleep peacefully knowing the truth in your last statement. Thank you and good night... Thu, 26 Mar 2009 18:01:14 +0000 http://theglennbeck912project.com/9principles12values/#IDComment17635605