en-us https://www.intensedebate.com/users/4345275 Comments by Max_Quinn http://www.katu.com/news/national/Supreme-Court-rejects-part-of-Arizona-immigration-law-160238845.html#IDComment389199155 In 2010, Arizona received $1.46 from the Federal government for every $1 it collected in Federal taxes. If they secede, no more social security, no more Medicare, no more subsidies from the Federal government. Your suggested crackdown on illegals - which you seem to think would be cost-free - would never come close to making up for the lost revenue from the Feds. Have fun moving there. Mon, 25 Jun 2012 17:20:26 +0000 http://www.katu.com/news/national/Supreme-Court-rejects-part-of-Arizona-immigration-law-160238845.html#IDComment389199155 http://www.katu.com/politics/Officials-Oregons-health-law-will-go-forward-even-if-Obamas-doesnt-159522955.html#IDComment384941833 Whoa - lay off the facts. They get in the way of the rage. Tue, 19 Jun 2012 19:22:04 +0000 http://www.katu.com/politics/Officials-Oregons-health-law-will-go-forward-even-if-Obamas-doesnt-159522955.html#IDComment384941833 http://www.katu.com/politics/Officials-Oregons-health-law-will-go-forward-even-if-Obamas-doesnt-159522955.html#IDComment384813368 From the real George Carlin: "Conservatives say if you don't give the rich more money, they will lose their incentive to invest. As for the poor, they tell us they've lost all incentive because we've given them too much money." You're proving him right. Tue, 19 Jun 2012 16:00:47 +0000 http://www.katu.com/politics/Officials-Oregons-health-law-will-go-forward-even-if-Obamas-doesnt-159522955.html#IDComment384813368 http://www.katu.com/news/weird/Fabricated-bank-adds-to-Chinas-list-of-fakery--159430195.html#IDComment384039870 Their army is probably fake. Mon, 18 Jun 2012 18:29:42 +0000 http://www.katu.com/news/weird/Fabricated-bank-adds-to-Chinas-list-of-fakery--159430195.html#IDComment384039870 http://www.katu.com/news/national/Sources-Immunity-offered-to-certain-illegal-immigrants-159184665.html#IDComment381907113 The anger directed at the government presupposes that the government has a soft place in its heart for illegals. It doesn't. Politicians live and breathe by campaign contributions. Businesses pour money into politics to get the policies that they want. Our current immigration policy is a product of this political money - it supplies business with a cheap and disposable source of labor. An e-verify system would help curb illegal hiring and catch business that hire illegals. So businesses oppose it, spend money to get it blocked, and politicians oblige. This has been the situation for decades. And I'm not speaking for you. I disagreeing with you. No need for a hissy fit. Fri, 15 Jun 2012 22:05:19 +0000 http://www.katu.com/news/national/Sources-Immunity-offered-to-certain-illegal-immigrants-159184665.html#IDComment381907113 http://www.katu.com/news/national/Sources-Immunity-offered-to-certain-illegal-immigrants-159184665.html#IDComment381842926 Yes it is. Do you think the illegal immigrants have a powerful lobby working in DC to prevent the e-verify system? Or is it the employers who might have such a lobby and who don't want to be separated from their cheap and expendable labor? Fri, 15 Jun 2012 20:17:17 +0000 http://www.katu.com/news/national/Sources-Immunity-offered-to-certain-illegal-immigrants-159184665.html#IDComment381842926 http://www.katu.com/news/national/Sources-Immunity-offered-to-certain-illegal-immigrants-159184665.html#IDComment381796199 The enforcement is the policy. We have laws against hiring illegal immigrants - we just don't enforce those laws. When ICE raids a factory, it frog-marches the immigrants. Frog-march a few of the executives in these raids, and you'll start seeing results. Keep dreaming that you can seal the borders and round up everyone who is here already, and you'll maintain the status quo. Fri, 15 Jun 2012 19:00:07 +0000 http://www.katu.com/news/national/Sources-Immunity-offered-to-certain-illegal-immigrants-159184665.html#IDComment381796199 http://www.katu.com/news/national/Sources-Immunity-offered-to-certain-illegal-immigrants-159184665.html#IDComment381767389 I do remember that - the same people who were angry then are angry now. They were incapable of rational discussion and solidly members of the Republican base. Like I said, instead of really, really, really hating Obama, now they can really, really, really, really hate him. So what? There were a lot of problem with Bush's guest worker program. The knee-jerk rage prevented any real examination of the issue - all to the benefit of the companies merrily hiring illegals. Fri, 15 Jun 2012 18:10:41 +0000 http://www.katu.com/news/national/Sources-Immunity-offered-to-certain-illegal-immigrants-159184665.html#IDComment381767389 http://www.katu.com/news/national/Sources-Immunity-offered-to-certain-illegal-immigrants-159184665.html#IDComment381743055 What's your answer to that question? Fri, 15 Jun 2012 17:22:24 +0000 http://www.katu.com/news/national/Sources-Immunity-offered-to-certain-illegal-immigrants-159184665.html#IDComment381743055 http://www.katu.com/news/national/Sources-Immunity-offered-to-certain-illegal-immigrants-159184665.html#IDComment381742492 Nevertheless, the anger is misdirected. It's easy to blame the people trying to escape poverty and taking jobs that employers in this country are anxious to give them. If you want to solve the illegal immigration problem, aim high at the rich and powerful people and companies that benefit from the status quo. If companies stopped hiring illegals, illegals would not stay here. This policy addresses the problem of those that are here. We can either keep them poor and willing to work for nothing, or we can let them better themselves and raise their expectations. Fri, 15 Jun 2012 17:21:16 +0000 http://www.katu.com/news/national/Sources-Immunity-offered-to-certain-illegal-immigrants-159184665.html#IDComment381742492 http://www.katu.com/news/national/Sources-Immunity-offered-to-certain-illegal-immigrants-159184665.html#IDComment381739545 You're being undercut by the companies who are skirting the law in order to pay those low wages. You're being undercut by the executives who pad their bonuses with every cutback they send your way. You're being undercut by politicians who want to keep the status quo - not because they are worried about you (regardless of what they say) but because they want to please their big-time donors who want access to the cheap labor that current policy provides them. You are not being undercut by the kids of these workers (who do actually pay taxes). If you give these young people a chance to better themselves, then they won't be a part of the low-wage class. Fri, 15 Jun 2012 17:15:59 +0000 http://www.katu.com/news/national/Sources-Immunity-offered-to-certain-illegal-immigrants-159184665.html#IDComment381739545 http://www.katu.com/news/national/Sources-Immunity-offered-to-certain-illegal-immigrants-159184665.html#IDComment381735283 The policy requires that they have no police record. Fri, 15 Jun 2012 17:10:12 +0000 http://www.katu.com/news/national/Sources-Immunity-offered-to-certain-illegal-immigrants-159184665.html#IDComment381735283 http://www.katu.com/news/national/Sources-Immunity-offered-to-certain-illegal-immigrants-159184665.html#IDComment381724617 Outside the constricted conservative universe, outrage against illegal immigrants isn't all that prevalent. As far as election year politics goes, now a bunch of people who were going to vote for someone other than Obama will go and vote for someone other than Obama with a bit more enthusiasm. So what? This action does nothing but give opportunity to a group of people who have stayed out of trouble- that's a good thing. Fri, 15 Jun 2012 16:54:58 +0000 http://www.katu.com/news/national/Sources-Immunity-offered-to-certain-illegal-immigrants-159184665.html#IDComment381724617 http://www.katu.com/news/national/Sources-Immunity-offered-to-certain-illegal-immigrants-159184665.html#IDComment381718023 This is a great decision. These people have done nothing that any one of us would not have done in similar circumstances - they've stayed out of trouble and tried to lead productive lives. Now they get the chance to do that - and pay taxes. Sad that they also have to play the part of scapegoats for frustrated, angry conservatives who can't seem to function without heaping misdirected anger onto someone who has done nothing to harm them. Fri, 15 Jun 2012 16:46:54 +0000 http://www.katu.com/news/national/Sources-Immunity-offered-to-certain-illegal-immigrants-159184665.html#IDComment381718023 http://www.katu.com/news/medicalalert/Wash-whooping-cough-numbers-continue-to-skyrocket-159046945.html#IDComment380903119 Vaccines aren't magic. They don't produce a force field that prevents a child from being exposed to a disease. They spur the body to produce antibodies that destroy antigens after exposure. So a vaccinated child can carry whooping cough bacteria while his/her body is combating the bacteria. During the interval between exposure and elimination, the bacteria can spread from the infected (and vaccinated) child to another person. During this interval, the child might even show symptoms of whooping cough, though the duration and severity of the illness will be less for the vaccinated child than it would be for an unvaccinated child. I didn't TD you. Thu, 14 Jun 2012 16:25:35 +0000 http://www.katu.com/news/medicalalert/Wash-whooping-cough-numbers-continue-to-skyrocket-159046945.html#IDComment380903119 http://www.katu.com/news/national/Dems-GOP-warily-eye-news-of-falling-family-wealth-158880415.html#IDComment380094768 So the Federal Reserve releases an 80 page report detailing the decline of the middle class, and the press can't understand it in any terms other than election year politics. This is a major part of the problem. The middle class wealth declined by 39% - that's what's important. How the two campaigns plan on spinning the report is not important. Wed, 13 Jun 2012 17:02:46 +0000 http://www.katu.com/news/national/Dems-GOP-warily-eye-news-of-falling-family-wealth-158880415.html#IDComment380094768 http://www.katu.com/politics/Oregon-Senatory-Ron-Wyden-blocks-extension-of-surveillance-law-158519825.html?clmob=y#IDComment379217722 Good point. Tue, 12 Jun 2012 14:48:15 +0000 http://www.katu.com/politics/Oregon-Senatory-Ron-Wyden-blocks-extension-of-surveillance-law-158519825.html?clmob=y#IDComment379217722 http://www.katu.com/politics/Oregon-Senatory-Ron-Wyden-blocks-extension-of-surveillance-law-158519825.html?clmob=y#IDComment379217521 Our other discussion was about healthcare. The power to provide (or not provide) healthcare already exists and is currently held by insurance companies. I'd like to see that power transferred to an elected government (fully understanding that nothing is perfect - but some things are preferable to others). The power to tap into email conversations is not something the private sector can legally do - this power was created especially for the government, and it has proven to be a mistake. Tue, 12 Jun 2012 14:47:53 +0000 http://www.katu.com/politics/Oregon-Senatory-Ron-Wyden-blocks-extension-of-surveillance-law-158519825.html?clmob=y#IDComment379217521 http://www.katu.com/politics/Oregon-Senatory-Ron-Wyden-blocks-extension-of-surveillance-law-158519825.html?clmob=y#IDComment378930309 Good. I hope he filibusters it and it never passes. Once the executive branch gets power, it will never let go of it - no matter who fills the office. Tue, 12 Jun 2012 03:19:18 +0000 http://www.katu.com/politics/Oregon-Senatory-Ron-Wyden-blocks-extension-of-surveillance-law-158519825.html?clmob=y#IDComment378930309 http://www.katu.com/news/national/Undoing-health-law-could-have-messy-ripple-effects-158445265.html#IDComment378928856 Geez, lay off the 13th amendment - it doesn't apply. And if you've somehow missed it, currently insurance companies ration care by denying to people who are sick. Do they do this for the sake of freedom? Of for the sake of profits? Tue, 12 Jun 2012 03:15:50 +0000 http://www.katu.com/news/national/Undoing-health-law-could-have-messy-ripple-effects-158445265.html#IDComment378928856