en-us https://www.intensedebate.com/users/1113422 Comments by MDD1982 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/06/week-8-lesson-14-affirmative-action__trashed/#IDComment85408119 Blog Response for Grade. July 7th. Nepotism is not soley for those who know the right person in the right place for a job; it can be for anything I just think most people relate it to jobs. I am also with you in that when my daughter and son grow up, if I can help them get their feets in the door, then I will. My mother, too, would have given me a foot in the door because of who she knew. Not for a job but because I originally wanted to get into law school and my mother knew (because of her job) our District Attorney and just about every sitting Judge; so getting a letter of recommendation for law school was not going to be a challenge for me. I obviously ended up on a different school course than law school but the point is, my mother would have had me benefit if I had wanted it. Thu, 8 Jul 2010 00:17:12 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/06/week-8-lesson-14-affirmative-action__trashed/#IDComment85408119 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/06/week-8-lesson-14-affirmative-action__trashed/#IDComment85408039 Blog Response for Grade. July 7th. I have to agree with you. Everyone uses nepotism and I think everyone will continue to use it. Like I said in my posting, I think those who have a problem with it are likely those who have not benefitted from it. Nepotism is everywhere and I do not think it is a white man vs everyone else issue. There are black people who know someone that can get them ahead, there are women who know people to get ahead too. I think people tend to see it as unfair because they are unfamiliar with what it truly is and that they have used it, as some level, in their lives. Thu, 8 Jul 2010 00:16:30 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/06/week-8-lesson-14-affirmative-action__trashed/#IDComment85408039 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/06/week-8-lesson-14-affirmative-action__trashed/#IDComment85407158 Blog Comment for Grade. Lesson 14 Affirmative Action. July 7th, 749pm I have such mixed feelings here. I do think that every student should be given the same things in school. I know private schools cannot be regulated but state school certainly can. I do not think it is needed for one school to have a ridiculous amount of material things and the other school to have nothing; schools should be equal. I also think that once you get into the adult world and have to fend for yourself that that is exactly what should happen. Fend for yourself. If someone has something nicer than you and you want, go get it. Bust your butt, network, do what you must to get ahead. As much as people may hate that knowing the right people in the right places gets you somewhere, it is what it is. I find that most people tend to dislike it when they do not have the networking skills that others do; if they had someone who could set them up for success or at least get their foot in the door, they would take it. Thu, 8 Jul 2010 00:08:44 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/06/week-8-lesson-14-affirmative-action__trashed/#IDComment85407158 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/06/week-8-lesson-14-affirmative-action__trashed/#IDComment85407055 Blog Comment for Grade. Lesson 14 Affirmative Action. July 7th, 749pm Like I said, I knew very little (just enough to some what understand) of this subject but I certainly do not feel like I know ALL that encompasses it. I also thought the slides on the Ten Commandants was, well, not accurate. There is not a doubt in my mind that those who did the survery were not being truthful. Seems like an overwhelmingly high rate of people saying they follow the adultry Commandant and yet if you look at the divorce rates for infidelity, it shows that to be inaccurate. But that is just my take on it. I also agree with Dr. Richards in that we will never be equal. I do not know of a system that can be dervied to make everyone happy and give everyone a fair chance to move up the ladder - I do not see how it could work, at least, without a socialistic system put into place and I will never agree to socialism. It was intersting how that student (after the lecture) said the idea he had about making an even playing ground was basically socialist and that some things from the socialist view point is good. Thu, 8 Jul 2010 00:08:11 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/06/week-8-lesson-14-affirmative-action__trashed/#IDComment85407055 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/06/week-8-lesson-14-affirmative-action__trashed/#IDComment85406932 Blog Comment for Grade. Lesson 14 Affirmative Action. July 7th, 749pm I thought it was interesting how Affirmative Action and Nepotism are one in the same. I must admit that I have benefited from Nepotism. I did not GET my last job because of who I knew but I did get the INTERVIEW because of someone I knew. This "someone" was not high on the food chain but he was still someone who had the "in" and the "know" and from that he was able to help me. I can say that what did get me the job was my military background. Ironically, after I was hired I ended up making a higher salary than my friend who put my foot in the door (of course I never mentioned that to him). I thought it was interesting how Dr. Richards was able to connect Affirmative Action as an around-the-way way of still putting white males on top. I also thought it was interesting that white women are the ones who benefit the greatest from Affirmative Action; I truthfully thought it was the black community. Thu, 8 Jul 2010 00:07:19 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/06/week-8-lesson-14-affirmative-action__trashed/#IDComment85406932 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/06/week-8-lesson-14-affirmative-action__trashed/#IDComment85406875 Blog Comment for Grade. Lesson 14 Affirmative Action. July 7th, 749pm.____I have mixed feelings about this lecture. I always find them informative and I always gain knowledge that I did not have before but I just felt like there was more to Affirmative Action than this lecture went in to. I do think that we tend to view Affirmative Action as a black vs white or white vs black (however you want to call it). I did not realize the depth it went into, how it is so much more than just black people getting ahead simply because they are black. Though, I have always understood that the "system" of Affirmative Action was to give those who are seen as minorities a more equal chance to get ahead or at least to the same level as their white male counterparts. In my opinion though, as a woman, I would not want to get ahead because of a government formed system; I want to get ahead because of my life accomplishments, professionally or scholastically. Thu, 8 Jul 2010 00:06:42 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/06/week-8-lesson-14-affirmative-action__trashed/#IDComment85406875 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/06/week-7-lesson-13-immigration__trashed/#IDComment84822447 Blog Response for Grade. July 4th, 11:37pm I have to disagree with you on this part of your post. I think society views that woman's sign as "wrong" because they don't share her views. I personally have nothing against Hispanics, my father is Hispanic, but I also support the right of people to express their views and their opinions no matter how deplorable any other person thinks it is. There may be opinions you have that others may have some heartburn with but you certainly have the right to express it. No person should have to be silenced just because a vast majority does not agree with what is coming out of their mouth. If she is on her property (which is what I am assuming since the video did not say one way or the other), property that she owns, then why should she not be able to post her sign? Mon, 5 Jul 2010 03:43:03 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/06/week-7-lesson-13-immigration__trashed/#IDComment84822447 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/06/week-7-lesson-13-immigration__trashed/#IDComment84821619 Blog Comment for Grade. Lesson 13 - Immigration. July 4th, 11:16pm I had pretty much banked on this lecture being interesting and informative. I have always had a lot of different thoughts/opinions on immigration not to mention all the talking in the media at the moment - especially with Arizona's new law. One thing I noticed the Dr. Richards said very early on was the U.S. History (at least its books) have misconstrued facts about its history. U.S. History books are intentionally written to show a story that hides the deprivation and genocide that took place on our soil. So, my question is how does any ONE person find the true history of the United States? If every book is written with how the author views our history, then how do we ever know what is factual and what isn't? It certainly is not possible to ask anyone who was around back in the 18 and 1900's, so where do we turn for non-biased information? I do think that it is quite difficult to come up with an immigration policy, at least one that appeases to everyone's needs. Truth of the matter is, you cannot make everyone happy at the same time. It just isn't possible. Someone will disagree or feel oppressed. I think the trouble is that those in the political arena want to create laws more so to satisfy their own political agendas than what will really solve the underlying issues with immigration. One thing I noticed is Dr. Richards' insistence that our business world is what dominantly shapes our immigration policies. "We" need immigrants to do the jobs that most do not want to do and if they did, they wouldn't want to do it for cheap - dirty jobs, to some, should yield a higher paycheck. Immigrants tend to not be on that level - they will work for lower wages doing the dirty jobs and business owners (at all levels) will gladly pay the cheap wages and sweep their status' under the rug. Congo the Dog. That was pretty interesting - the facts and circumstances of that case is what I mean. To answer Dr. Richards' question, no I do not think the assemblyman would have initiated that bill/law if it was a white person who was attacked. However, I also feel that it would not have been initiated if the person who was attacked was legal - no matter the race or ethnicity. I think the public has an issue with an illegal immigrant receiving a 250K settlement from the insurance company, I think that infuriates a whole lot of people. It certainly makes my eyes widen just a smidge. I mean, if I went to Mexico and I was attacked by someone's animal down there, would anyone want to extend help my way or want to see justice done for me? I'd venture to say (and this is based off of time I've spent in Mexico, no not at resorts either) that they would welcome nothing for me except me getting what I deserved and that I had no right to be there anyways. I have had friends go to Mexico and be beaten and robbed by Mexican authorities...where is their settlements? Where is their sympathy for the people of Mexico? The Rant. Well, I have to say, I can appreciate what this guy thinks of illegal immigration. While I think he could go about it in a more productive way, it is not like he a political figure, so why does he need to be calm in the assertion of his feelings? I agree with him; our country is harboring illegal immigrants, nobody can deny that fact and he is not wrong for bringing that to our attention. I also think he made a good point in that if you knowingly hire an escaped convict you are harboring a fugitive/convicted felon but it is okay if you knowingly hire an illegal immigrant? It sometimes makes me wonder what some people would do if they lost their cushy jobs sitting behind their desks in air conditioning and had to go out and look for those lower-level/lower-paying jobs...if their family's livelihood depended on it...but they lost out to an illegal immigrant - how would that shift their views on these so called "rights" of illegal immigrants? Mon, 5 Jul 2010 03:35:18 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/06/week-7-lesson-13-immigration__trashed/#IDComment84821619 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/06/week-7-lesson-12-multiculturalism-lgbt__trashed/#IDComment83558884 Blog Response for Grade. June 30th 1800. I think most people have an issue with the Gay and Lesbian community because for those who are straight it is very foreign territory. I think a lot of people (I'd venture to say most) are taught to fear what they do not know and what they do not understand. I understand what you are saying in that what impact do gay and lesbian people really have on our own individual lives; but some do. For example when I was in Boot Camp I had a large number of gay women in my platoon but in boot camp we had to shower together and run all around our squad bay in our bras and panties. And when I say shower I mean a single pole coming from the ground with about 10 shower heads sticking out of it. Very close quarters. So, it can be quite uncomfortable to know that someone "may" be staring you down in a place (a shower) where you are usually comfortable. I think religion does play a role in it too, even if the person doesn't go to church their parents may have and in turn "brain washed" them into thinking or believing a certain way. I use quotations around brain washed because it is the best one I can think of at the moment but I don't think people get brain washed, per se. What is interesting to me is if, from birth, we were immersed in nothing but a gay community we would probably find those who are straight to be quite abnormal; wouldn't we? Wed, 30 Jun 2010 22:08:56 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/06/week-7-lesson-12-multiculturalism-lgbt__trashed/#IDComment83558884 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/06/week-7-lesson-12-multiculturalism-lgbt__trashed/#IDComment83556003 Lesson 12 Multiculturalism and LGBT. Blog Comment for Grade. June 30th 1735. I think multiculturalism is an interesting topic and has always been a "passionate" one for me. I say passionate loosely because I don't want have that appear as though I have done extensive research on it and am well versed in it; by passionate I just mean that I "feel some kind of way about that." I am one of "those" people who see immigrants still clinging to their culture and it bothers me. I would almost venture to say it infuriates me to some degree - especially when I see the female Muslim/Arabs who are in the US and still dress in their traditional full coverage clothes. I guess that particular aspect bothers me because they have brought themselves into a country where women are required to be treated as an equal and live without fear of reprisal for being at any level in the professional and personal arena. It kind of makes me mad that you want to be here and then conduct yourself as though you are in a repressed country; the United States is not that and a lot of women had to do hard things to make that happen for people of this time. That really could be related to why it bothers me for any immigrant in this country who still maintains strong ties to their culture. What is terrible about expecting people who come to our country to utilize our resources to adopt to our ways of life? I recognize that even within the US we have many different cultures but what I am referring to is if you come here you should learn our language and not dress in what your country expects you to. I live in S.Korea right now and my husband and I both have tried to learn some Korean (even had a class), ask questions about their cultures and what is expected, we try their foods and go to their restaurants...we are guests here so we try and not stick out like a sore thumb even more than we already do. The fact that we and our friends do it kind of makes me more angry that those who come to the US can't. In regards to Dr. Richards' question about wearing/waving the Chinese flag...well, I have a problem with it. It is a big deal to me. Maybe it is because I am Republican and he did say that Republican's are the ones with the issues in regards to it. I just cannot imagine engulfing myself into another country's flag, especially when it is a country who hasn't done anything for me nor progressed my life in any way. He asks why isn't that okay but I ask, why is it okay? It could be I am more guarded towards to the flag and our country because of serving in the Marines and we have a certain code (God, Country, Corps) and the flag (colors) is a very big deal and is very highly regarded and respected in that community. Wed, 30 Jun 2010 21:57:22 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/06/week-7-lesson-12-multiculturalism-lgbt__trashed/#IDComment83556003 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/06/week-6-lesson-9-stages-of-racial-identity-people-of-color-stages-1-4__trashed/#IDComment81843354 Blog Response for Grade CONT. June 24th. It has always bothered me when tragedies of the past are being claimed by those in the present. I don't think you should feel guilty for Native Americans either, that's where I agree with you. I don't think you should feel guilt unless you are the reason for something happen. I don't think you or any other person of color caused the Native American's tragedy so why feel bad? I didn't partake or cause African American slavery, so why should I feel guilty? I am saddened that such horrific things were done to innocent people who did nothing...but that's about as deep as it goes...is that terrible? Thu, 24 Jun 2010 03:31:04 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/06/week-6-lesson-9-stages-of-racial-identity-people-of-color-stages-1-4__trashed/#IDComment81843354 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/06/week-6-lesson-9-stages-of-racial-identity-people-of-color-stages-1-4__trashed/#IDComment81843220 Blog Response for Grade. June 24th. Hey Saundra! ;-) First and foremost, I have so not forgotten about your email, just been stupidly busy with work, pregnancy, being mommy, and school. So much has fallen waistside. I'm on it though! ;-) Naturally, I find myself responding to your posts. So, in a way I agree with you and in a way I don't. I suppose the best way to elaborate is just using my previous posts in regards to "guilt." I don't think any race should feel any guilt for the genocide or enslavement of anyone. Do people nowadays feel bad for using their electronics or wearing their clothes that were generated by the slaves of the 21st Century? Obviously not since they continue to use and buy the products. It is so easy, I think, for people to say they have such guilt and disgust without even knowing everything that surrounds slavery. I, for one, do not feel guilty. I like to say I can appreciate the anger for what happend but I cannot say I feel guilty for something I did not partake in, no more than (I think) current-day people of color can say they can relate to slavery. Thu, 24 Jun 2010 03:30:03 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/06/week-6-lesson-9-stages-of-racial-identity-people-of-color-stages-1-4__trashed/#IDComment81843220 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/06/week-6-lesson-9-stages-of-racial-identity-people-of-color-stages-1-4__trashed/#IDComment81839689 Blog Comment for Grade CONT. Lesson 10. Racial Identity. People of Color. June 24th. Is that a situation like what Dr. Mulvey's book speaks about - how others take certain actions by white people (or comments) and assume it is racist? I don't know; I wanted clarification, I wish I was in the actual lecture. Another thing that caught my attention was Dr. Richards asking the class if Penn State was too white? What does that mean, exactly, too white? We never question colleges that are historically black...as a matter of fact I googled "historically black colleges" and the first thing to pop up was "Black Universities." Not much to say on that, I just thought it was interesting since Dr. Richards brought up or may have hinted that it could be problematic to have Penn State as "too white." That kind of got under my skin Thu, 24 Jun 2010 03:03:47 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/06/week-6-lesson-9-stages-of-racial-identity-people-of-color-stages-1-4__trashed/#IDComment81839689 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/06/week-6-lesson-9-stages-of-racial-identity-people-of-color-stages-1-4__trashed/#IDComment81839481 Blog Comment for Grade CONT. Lesson 10. Racial Identity. People of Color. June 24th. I believe she only asked one - that I can recall at the moment. I would have liked to know who or what made them think that the white doll was better, if that's what they thought. Did they think it was prettier? Better? What? I mean children have such a wandering mind filled with lots of different thoughts...I would be very curious to hear how race became such a poignant thing for them. It's rather alarming to me; there are so many things children should be doing and their minds should be free of worrysome thougths; but I suppose some may say that it is better to have the "know" about racial issue or inequalities at any early age. I don't know, guess it depends on what side of the fence you're on. One thing that confused me was when Dr. Richards said, about the Pre-Awakening Stage, is that you have negative race experiences but it isn't racism...how is that? Thu, 24 Jun 2010 03:02:55 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/06/week-6-lesson-9-stages-of-racial-identity-people-of-color-stages-1-4__trashed/#IDComment81839481 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/06/week-6-lesson-9-stages-of-racial-identity-people-of-color-stages-1-4__trashed/#IDComment81839273 Blog Comment for Grade CONT . Lesson 10. Racial Identity. People of Color. June 24th. He still, to this day, is very self conscious about the fact that he has an overwhelmingly higher number of friends that are white (as opposed to those of color). What is interesting to me is my whole life mostly all of my friends were those of color and I was never embarassed or sensitive to that (sensitive meaning that if someone pointed it out, I wouldn't be upset about it). I think both whites and people of color help this vicious cycle of "acting black" or "acting white" continue. Anyhoo, I was pretty surprised at the video made by the young girl in high school. I thought it was great and I wondered what made her make that video; a class, a contest, for fun, what? I thought it was great that she wanted to redo the experiment with the dolls as well. What wasn't so great was the times and legislation didn't seem to do much changing or reforming of the minds of our youths. What I would have liked to see was her ask every child (who picked the white dolls) why it was they would rather play with them. Thu, 24 Jun 2010 03:02:01 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/06/week-6-lesson-9-stages-of-racial-identity-people-of-color-stages-1-4__trashed/#IDComment81839273 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/06/week-6-lesson-9-stages-of-racial-identity-people-of-color-stages-1-4__trashed/#IDComment81839123 Blog Comment for Grade CONT. Lesson 10. Racial Identity. People of Color. June 24th. I was SO shocked when he said that. Matter of fact, I replied "why would I or anyone ever say that?" He told me that was almost all he heard growing up (in a very rural town in Ohio). He also told me that when he went out on dates that would be one of the very first things the women said to him which would also be the very reason he never called them back (which turned out good for me, lol). I was just very surprised at that, I mean the nerve some people have to think they can just say things...it just baffles me. I asked him what was it that people consider "white" and he said he mostly was teased for it because he spoke very proper english, wore his pants at his waste, dressed in button-up polos, and had a higher formal education. I remember asking him "well why are those things only white people have?" He obviously didn't delve into that one, I think because it would bring up a whole lot of race relations stuff but he basically just accepted that as a part of his life because of how he chose to live his life. Thu, 24 Jun 2010 03:01:31 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/06/week-6-lesson-9-stages-of-racial-identity-people-of-color-stages-1-4__trashed/#IDComment81839123 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/06/week-6-lesson-9-stages-of-racial-identity-people-of-color-stages-1-4__trashed/#IDComment81838834 Blog Comment for Grade. Lesson 10. Racial Identity. People of Color. June 24th. I thought this weeks lecture was really good, as usual. One thing I wanted to hit on was the people sometimes assume people of color are white. I suppose this would fall in to that stereotype that if you do certain things or act a certain way or speak a certain way then you are trying to be a race other than your own. Now, I personally do not believe in those things - I acknowledge their existence, so I am not naive, but I don't believe in saying one thing is for one race and one race only - how does that not strike the racist chord to people? After my husband and I met he told me that one of the things he found attractive about me was that I didn't ask him "why do you act so white?" Thu, 24 Jun 2010 03:00:25 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/06/week-6-lesson-9-stages-of-racial-identity-people-of-color-stages-1-4__trashed/#IDComment81838834 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/06/week-5-lesson-8-stages-of-racial-identity-white-people-stages-3-4__trashed/#IDComment81163153 Blog Response for Grade [cont] . Lesson 9. 6/21/10 @ 2202. You almost have to in order to be an accpted member of society. You can't be at work and cussing and using slang, it doesn't look appropriate and isn't appropriate, really, for the work environment. I have a black female friend (for years) that I was very very close to. We would ALWAYS say funny things back and forth about race stuff, just to make light of it and show how very little we gave a crap that we were best friends of two different races. For instance, I could say to her "go pick me cotton" and she would burst out laughing...but then in the same breath she would say "shut up cracker or honkey or Wop [cause I'm Italian], you go pick me some cotton cause we are taking over." I mean, we didn't care if people didn't understand that we had that kind of acceptable bantering in our friendship. Race just wasn't an issue...stereotypes were just stupid to us. I don't know, it's hard to explain all of this stuff because it's like an onion...a million layers to it. Mon, 21 Jun 2010 02:15:28 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/06/week-5-lesson-8-stages-of-racial-identity-white-people-stages-3-4__trashed/#IDComment81163153 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/06/week-5-lesson-8-stages-of-racial-identity-white-people-stages-3-4__trashed/#IDComment81163097 Blog Response for Grade. Lesson 9. 6/21/10 @ 2202. That is a hilarious story. It is really true though; both the point of the story and your posting, white people are so afraid to say certain things. I used to say that all the time myself, not to be offensive but the better amount of my friends and associations were black and that is how they talked (not to mention they would tell me I'm Black in white body, lol) and I just became immersed in it. They were never offended and they never looked at it as a white person saying a black person thing. I always wondered how one race "owns" certain terms, trends, or music. Like you, I knew it was [according to society] wrong to say certain things in front of those who don't know me and don't know the relationship with the person I am sharing the "words" with but I think it's sad that we have to do that. Although, after I wrote that, I realized that people censor what they say, not just in regards to race relations, all the time. Mon, 21 Jun 2010 02:14:53 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/06/week-5-lesson-8-stages-of-racial-identity-white-people-stages-3-4__trashed/#IDComment81163097 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/06/week-5-lesson-8-stages-of-racial-identity-white-people-stages-3-4__trashed/#IDComment80818669 Blog Comment for Grade. Lesson 9 - White People Stage 3&4. 18 June 2010 @ 1004am. Great lecture. I liked the fact that Dr. Richards touched on the subject right off top that white people have pretty much been taught to not talk about race or racial issues. I can agree with that to a certain degree though I would not say I was taught NOT to, I wasn't taught TO talk about it either; I WAS taught to never shy aware from topics because I may be intimidated by them or in fear of what others may think of what I have to say. I agree with Dr. Richards when he stated that, as white people, if we talk about race then we see color and if we see color then we are racist. So many will crucify whites for acknowledging color and want us to just see people not color but in the same breath they too will speak on matters as though it pertains to ONLY people of color. It's like okay...so YOU can speak of racial issues and see race but I can't because I am white? Are you serious? Why is it up to white people to decipher when is it okay to acknowledge race and when it isn't? Why does the burden not fall on people of color to decide when it's worth getting upset about and when it isn't? I get that the focus of this lecture is white people but I just don't see why when it comes to racial tensions white people have to be the focus too...and by racial tensions I mean when things are bad or when things are needing or wanting to be discussed...why does the weight fall on white people shoulders? Why can't it be equally distributed...we are all supposed to be equal I thought. Let me say, that video on those twins - OMG - I just can't grasp thoughts around that. I try to not think ill ways towards them because they are so young and have clearly been taught to think and act that way (everyone knows that hate breeds hate). I also try and remind myself to stay open, as repugnant as I may find their opinions...everyone is entitled to free speech even if I and most of the world find it deplorable. I just can't imagine, looking at my lil girl, wanting to put hate into her eyes and in her heart. Why do that to such innocent children...they seemed so nonchalant about it all and VERY programmed. They don't believe that many Jews were in existence? That is not a 12 year old talking, that is an adult talking. It's sad but that is also the reality of our world. White guilt?!?! I am surprised students admitted to feeling guilty about their race and their ancestry. Why would anyone of any race let anyone of another race make you feel bad for who you are - like you can even help it. I don't feel guilty, not ever, for the tone of my skin. I don't relish in it and think I have some high place in life because of it and I don't think it's bad and disgusting because of the history of this skin tone. I didn't partake in slavery, nobody in my family did either - why would I feel bad? I didn't have a privileged life by any means. We were awfully poor and had nothing most of my life (nothing that people would expect me to have b/c of my skin color). When my mother remarried we had more but because my step father and mother busted their asses at work to provide for us. I have what I have as an adult because I joined the Marine Corps not because I am white. The Marines accept people of all races. I don't know, I just don't get that whole feel bad for your race and feel bad for something that is beyond your control. At the end of the day, why do you even care if people say or think you should be or feel a certain way? I agree that people of color do aid in keeping this cycle going and I also believe that people of color are just as racist as white people. I cannot tell you the amount of hateful things said to me because who I fell in love with (by women of color). Comments that were purely motivated by me being white and him being black. My response to that negativity was simply just to pull him in close and give him a HUGE kiss in front of their racists faces. ;-) Lol I can see why a lot of people may make it to Stage 4 and then bounce back to Stage 2 - what do white people have to gain? Why should they take a bunch of s**t when all they are trying to do is better the racial tensions and their (maybe) lack of understanding? But at the same time I would argue that just because people of color may not want to aid you in that racial enlightening path, why let anyone stiffen you? Who cares? These stages should be about your own enlightenment - they just haven't got to theirs yet. 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