en-us https://www.intensedebate.com/users/973852 Comments by Liberallyproud http://frontpagemag.com/2010/06/03/netanyahu-to-international-community-stop-the-hypocrisy/#IDComment78509469 Stan - did you even read what you claim to be weapons against automatic assault weapons, held by trained military commandos? Give me a break. What a bunch of hogwash. I could find those same items in a barn, a garage a home, a workshop, but would never claim them as weapons I would use to attack Israel. GD man, give it a rest. The young 19 year old American shot four times in the head with stippling (meaning it was a close up kill) on his skin - tell me.......what weapon was HE carrying? Fri, 4 Jun 2010 13:22:13 +0000 http://frontpagemag.com/2010/06/03/netanyahu-to-international-community-stop-the-hypocrisy/#IDComment78509469 http://frontpagemag.com/2010/06/03/netanyahu-to-international-community-stop-the-hypocrisy/#IDComment78509109 As my friends know very well I'm not anti-Semite, but I AM able to discern right from wrong and I have to tell you that my many long time Jewish friends here in my community agree with me and believe this assault was totally and completely WRONG from any angle. No country including Israel, America and Iran have a right to attack innocent people, whether they are protesting or taking supplies tthrough a blockade. The people in Gaza have been held prisoner by the Israelis paranoia long enough. If they want peace then let them sit down and work it out, but the slaughter needs to end now....on BOTH sides. Fri, 4 Jun 2010 13:18:17 +0000 http://frontpagemag.com/2010/06/03/netanyahu-to-international-community-stop-the-hypocrisy/#IDComment78509109 http://frontpagemag.com/2010/06/03/netanyahu-to-international-community-stop-the-hypocrisy/#IDComment78508635 So a ship being stormed in the middle of the night by highly trained commandos armed with automatic assault weapons means the activists had to submit to their aggression? What ever happened to the law and right of self-defense? But I guess the Jews are the ONLY people allowed to defend themselves? What a bunch of hooey. If this ship were planning on assaulting a country armed to the hilt they'd be bringing a lot more than sticks and knives. Who the HE** do you think believes that other than you fanatics? No one with a conscience believes a WORD of that. Do you think we were born yesterday? Try that rationalization on someone who is illiterate because those are the only ones left that would consider this anything other than a massacre. Fri, 4 Jun 2010 13:12:39 +0000 http://frontpagemag.com/2010/06/03/netanyahu-to-international-community-stop-the-hypocrisy/#IDComment78508635 http://frontpagemag.com/2010/06/03/netanyahu-to-international-community-stop-the-hypocrisy/#IDComment78382415 No, it's not the Americans turning into European-sytle wimps and moral cowards, it's Israel turning into terrorists and bullies. The rise of President Obama was based on the votes of the majority of Americans who are sick of war and hate. It seems that is all the Israelis know anymore and treating Palestinians as the Jews were once treated by Hitler at the beginning of the Holocaust. Thu, 3 Jun 2010 16:38:08 +0000 http://frontpagemag.com/2010/06/03/netanyahu-to-international-community-stop-the-hypocrisy/#IDComment78382415 http://frontpagemag.com/2010/06/03/netanyahu-to-international-community-stop-the-hypocrisy/#IDComment78382064 Israel has been given more leeway than any other country in the world as far as protecting themselves, but they shot themselves in the foot when they acted as aggressors against unarmed civilians and I don't care WHAT nation they came from. Sorry there is no excuse for their barbaric actions. Thu, 3 Jun 2010 16:34:41 +0000 http://frontpagemag.com/2010/06/03/netanyahu-to-international-community-stop-the-hypocrisy/#IDComment78382064 http://frontpagemag.com/2010/06/03/netanyahu-to-international-community-stop-the-hypocrisy/#IDComment78380751 UNARMED ACTIVISTS - So don't try telling anyone that a bunch of sticks and a couple hammers and knives constitute weapons needed to wage war on the Israeli Navy, who attacked this ship with full blown assault weapons. This is a disgrace and you can rationalize it anyway you want to, but it's slaughter!! Thu, 3 Jun 2010 16:22:05 +0000 http://frontpagemag.com/2010/06/03/netanyahu-to-international-community-stop-the-hypocrisy/#IDComment78380751 http://frontpagemag.com/2010/06/03/netanyahu-to-international-community-stop-the-hypocrisy/#IDComment78380455 All Slain Flotilla Victims Suffered Bullet Wounds; 19-Year-Old US Citizen Among Dead The bodies of the nine dead activists killed by Israeli troops in the attack on the Gaza aid flotilla have returned to Turkey. Forensic experts have confirmed that all nine were shot with guns. Eight of the victims were Turkish nationals, and one was a US citizen of Turkish origin. The US citizen has been identified as nineteen-year-old Furkan Dogan. He reportedly had four bullet wounds to the head and one to the chest, murdered execution style. This from a first hand report from one of the activists aboard ship. How brave these Israeli terrorists were to kill unarmed civilians. This is horrible and indefensible. Thu, 3 Jun 2010 16:19:39 +0000 http://frontpagemag.com/2010/06/03/netanyahu-to-international-community-stop-the-hypocrisy/#IDComment78380455 http://frontpagemag.com/2010/alan-m-dershowitz/israels-actions-entirely-lawful-2/#IDComment78246498 You are right and I stand corrected on who had a presence in Palestine first. I admit when I am wrong and someone can prove it, but there has not been a single reason given that can justify the attack on this ship and the denial of aid to the people in Gaza. Being or living in a state of paranoia isn't enough. Withhold concrete for bunkers, but food, water and medicine and the aid women and children are in depair for is not acceptable to any person with a conscience. The attack was one of terrorists and that is a fact. Wed, 2 Jun 2010 19:06:26 +0000 http://frontpagemag.com/2010/alan-m-dershowitz/israels-actions-entirely-lawful-2/#IDComment78246498 http://frontpagemag.com/2010/alan-m-dershowitz/israels-actions-entirely-lawful-2/#IDComment78232185 I looked at the photos of sticks, hammers, tools, chains and a few knives. All of which are also WORKING TOOLS. There was nothing in there that could have begun to form any assault on an ARMY or NAVY of Israel, who the heck are you trying to kid? And posted on a site called Soda Head that supports the Confederacy???? Who fell for what here? It sure wasn't ME. Wed, 2 Jun 2010 17:21:09 +0000 http://frontpagemag.com/2010/alan-m-dershowitz/israels-actions-entirely-lawful-2/#IDComment78232185 http://frontpagemag.com/2010/alan-m-dershowitz/israels-actions-entirely-lawful-2/#IDComment78231613 You seem to forget they were there first. They had this land long before the Jews. Being Jewish is belonging to a RELIGION, not a NATION of people. There is a decided difference. Wed, 2 Jun 2010 17:16:31 +0000 http://frontpagemag.com/2010/alan-m-dershowitz/israels-actions-entirely-lawful-2/#IDComment78231613 http://frontpagemag.com/2010/alan-m-dershowitz/israels-actions-entirely-lawful-2/#IDComment78231331 Of course Israel has a right to exist, but does it have a right to displace a nation of people already existing on that land considered their nation? I don't think so. Just as I don't believe the Europeans had a right to take America from the Native people who existed here before they came and slaughtered the indigenous people who already had socio-economic systems in place. Just because of a religious belief the Jews HAVE TO have THIS land and that is wrong. Israel is based on a RELIGION - NOT a NATION of people. To finish this of course Arabs do many things wrong, as do Americans as well. But this action...this terrorist action in International waters against an unarmed ship of activists was WRONG! By God's law OR man's. It was WRONG. Wed, 2 Jun 2010 17:14:44 +0000 http://frontpagemag.com/2010/alan-m-dershowitz/israels-actions-entirely-lawful-2/#IDComment78231331 http://frontpagemag.com/2010/alan-m-dershowitz/israels-actions-entirely-lawful-2/#IDComment78230115 And if Israel REALLY wanted peace they would stop building in occupied territory and recognize that Palestinians have a right to exist as well. It's a two way street friend. TWO way! and by the way you don't make a great PR person for Israelis, trying to rationalize the slaughter of those attempting humanitarian aid. Wed, 2 Jun 2010 17:04:41 +0000 http://frontpagemag.com/2010/alan-m-dershowitz/israels-actions-entirely-lawful-2/#IDComment78230115 http://frontpagemag.com/2010/alan-m-dershowitz/israels-actions-entirely-lawful-2/#IDComment78229812 I have not been to Gaza, but two of my friends DID go in with an International caravan in January of this year. They took in badly needed food water and medical supplies and they ALSO were attacked (no one killed) but the conditions were horrible, HORRIBLE. You can't make up things that they saw and reported back. As far as the activist attacking me? I wouldn't have shot into a ship and landed an assault team in the middle of the night and not expected people to defend themselves. Are you completely ignorant or what? Wed, 2 Jun 2010 17:01:46 +0000 http://frontpagemag.com/2010/alan-m-dershowitz/israels-actions-entirely-lawful-2/#IDComment78229812 http://frontpagemag.com/2010/alan-m-dershowitz/israels-actions-entirely-lawful-2/#IDComment78211361 I doubt that law will hold water David, against an unarmed shipped loaded with supplies and medicine for people suffering from this blockade for three years. If you believe a ship containing a few sticks and a knife warrents a nightime attack from Helicopters and soldiers with automatic assault weapons a "fair" response, you have a serious moral issue. This was fighting a fly with an atomic bomb. Keep trying to rationalize what has happened to the best of your ability, but this was a massacre by anyone's standards. The Jewish state has become a terrorist state. Wed, 2 Jun 2010 14:34:40 +0000 http://frontpagemag.com/2010/alan-m-dershowitz/israels-actions-entirely-lawful-2/#IDComment78211361 http://frontpagemag.com/2010/alan-m-dershowitz/israels-actions-entirely-lawful-2/#IDComment78210519 Only in Israel are the Jewish terrorists considered "victims" and the dead activists jihadists. What a bunch of self serving loathesome people some of the Jews have become. That storming a ship laden with supplies for men, women and children suffering from a blockade to punish Palestinians for legally ELECTING Hamas is horrifying by ANY standards other than Israel's. Does anyone really like Hamas? NO. But demonizing the activists will NOT change the attitude of the World against this terrorist attack on an unarmed (but for some sticks and a knife) ship and the deaths of those who attempted to protect themselves. You can continue to rationalize these actions all you want, but it doesn't change the immoral acts of Israel against people who have every right to their own land and to live in peace. Wed, 2 Jun 2010 14:27:45 +0000 http://frontpagemag.com/2010/alan-m-dershowitz/israels-actions-entirely-lawful-2/#IDComment78210519 http://www.newsrealblog.com/2010/06/01/peace-convoy-this-was-an-islamist-terror-ambush/#IDComment78010854 People aren't stupid and most saw this horrific attack as what it was......terrorism. Israel can scream foul and make accusations every minute of the day, but in the eyes of the World they have lost support for being exactly themselves what they fear most.............TERRORISTS. There is NO excuse for what they did and the attack on this ship lost my support and most of my friends' and family's support. It was an atrocity that they perpetrated on activists wanting to make an issue about the lack of food and medical supplies being allowed to the Palastinians. I have three American friends (one Jewish by the way!) who also tried in an international attempt to take a caravan through Turkey to get needed supplies to Palastinians and were thwarted by Israel, so don't even try to say that these people have the medical attention or food and water that they need. That is a lie and Israel has become a terrorist nation. Now the World sees them for who they are. Make all the excuses you want, it doesn't change the facts. Tue, 1 Jun 2010 11:06:37 +0000 http://www.newsrealblog.com/2010/06/01/peace-convoy-this-was-an-islamist-terror-ambush/#IDComment78010854 http://frontpagemag.com/2010/05/17/dershowitz-takes-on-tenured-extremists/#IDComment76030077 Here's the biggest difference between the Left and the Right: Left = Progressive thinking and open mindedness - Right = Regressive thinking and bullying people to their way of thinking. Thank God most of the Right is over 60 and dwindling. Tue, 18 May 2010 16:19:55 +0000 http://frontpagemag.com/2010/05/17/dershowitz-takes-on-tenured-extremists/#IDComment76030077 http://frontpagemag.com/2010/05/17/dershowitz-takes-on-tenured-extremists/#IDComment76029789 Is there anyone who is a bigger enemy of the state than Dick Cheney? Torture? Lies to take us into an illegal war, waiving the very safety valve that would have prevented the oil rig disaster to save his buddies $500K? What about outing a CIA operative, or giving huge tax breaks to Big Oil while everyone in the country was paying up to $5 per gallon of gas and struggling to make ends meet. Or giving his Halliburton KBR buds no bid contracts and whose work ended up electrocuting/killing our soldiers in Iraq while they took their showers? The coward who got 5 deferrments to keep his lilly livered a** out of Vietnam but he sent OUR kids to get killed with faulty equipment? Yeah, I'd consider Cheney #1 ENEMY of the STATE! He should be in prison! Tue, 18 May 2010 16:17:28 +0000 http://frontpagemag.com/2010/05/17/dershowitz-takes-on-tenured-extremists/#IDComment76029789 http://frontpagemag.com/2010/05/17/dershowitz-takes-on-tenured-extremists/#IDComment76027997 That is not true to any degree. However, I remember the days of George Bush when NO ONE was allowed to enter the room unless they were pre-screened knee jerk apostles of his ideas. We are and always have been open to intelligent and realistic ideas from ALL fronts. But stupidity in any form is still stupidity and rigid fundamentalism from Jews is no prettier than Christian Fundamentalism or Muslim Fundamentalism, especially when it becomes violent. The killing and isolating of the Palestinians is just as serious an affront to Jewish people of conscience than it is to the rest of the world. I would also offer the first Tea Baggers as PERFECT examples of shouting down anyone who didn't agree with their views, including women in wheelchairs and 11 year old children. Tue, 18 May 2010 15:59:48 +0000 http://frontpagemag.com/2010/05/17/dershowitz-takes-on-tenured-extremists/#IDComment76027997 http://frontpagemag.com/2010/05/11/leftist-out-leftist-in/#IDComment75070302 See you didn't read what I originally wrote. Abortion should NEVER be used for birth control and an abortion should not be granted for just any reason. I believe strongly that in cases of rape, incest or if the health of the mother is in serious jeopardy she should have the right to make that decision. Especially if she has other children and needs to be there to raise those already born. No one I know believes otherwise and trust me the huge majority of those people are VERY liberal progressive people. I'm sure that there are those who support it for any reason, but that decision should be left to the woman and I support still her right to make that choice without interference from religious groups, government OR other individuals, INCLUDING ME, who may not believe or think as she does. Do I support it under ANY circumstances? NO. Wed, 12 May 2010 14:58:47 +0000 http://frontpagemag.com/2010/05/11/leftist-out-leftist-in/#IDComment75070302