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16 years ago @ Atheist Revolution - Deconstructing the Ath... · 1 reply · +1 points

John - the statement "Christians are very delusional" is not a fact. It may be a common opinion, but it cannot be proven as a fact. You'll also note that my statement said "if christianity is correct", so my logic in no way supports that Christians are delusional.

Furthermore, whether I believe it or not, it isn't "my christian story".

Additionally, one of the beliefs of Christianity is that God created the world, and essentially, created time. Therefore, IF CORRECT, God (and thereby Christianity) was around from the beginning of time.

You have noted, as do many other atheists, the importance of reason, logic, and intelligence. Often, atheists try to insinuate that they exhude these characteristics while members of other belief systems do not. If you would like to try to maintain that atheists do in fact have command of these skills, it would be appropriate for you to read an analyze what is being said very carefully.

16 years ago @ Atheist Revolution - Deconstructing the Ath... · 1 reply · +2 points

That's an interesting example. One of the reasons I was asking about an example was I was thinking that religious people might condem you whether they were in the majority or not. In other words, religious people condemning you because your views and their views differ, rather than because they are in the majority.

Personally, I don't see why these people would tell you that you need to conform to the majority of Americans because as the cliche says, "What is right is not always popular, and what is popular is not always right."

16 years ago @ Atheist Revolution - Deconstructing the Ath... · 3 replies · +1 points

Equal time is a nice thought, and if you have only two groups might even be able to work. I feel it is a little bit more dicey when you are trying to split things up between many many groups. Would you advocate simply giving theists and atheists equal time? Would you give theists, agnostics, and atheists equal time? Would you give protestants, and catholics, and muslims, and jews, and agnostics, and atheists equal time? It becomes rather cumbersome when there are such a wide variety of views how there.

Would you be willing to provide an example of when religious people condemn you for their views because they are in the majority?

16 years ago @ Atheist Revolution - Deconstructing the Ath... · 5 replies · +1 points

That's interesting. I personally don't buy into your logic and associate Christianity with stealing. Given that, if correct, Christianity was around from the beginning of time, it's virtually impossible that they could steal those traditions from anyone. However, people have all sorts of stereotypes about various people groups and belief systems, some true, some not (atheists are self-absorbed, muslims are pedophiles, jews are greedy).

Additionally, saying what you would do with regards to ridicule is not providing an example of ridicule that is only directed towards belief and not the person with those beliefs. Given that delusional is often considered a derogatory term, I question whether you would truly be able to formulate an example.

In general, whenever one group of people makes fun of another, it is the group that is doing the ridiculing that appears small-minded. Hence, a wiser approach would be to promote atheism without ridiculing other beliefs or other people.

16 years ago @ Atheist Revolution - Deconstructing the Ath... · 1 reply · +1 points

John - I am glad you are happy with your children's belief systems. It is also possible that they may have chosen christianity, judaism, hinduism, etc... when presented with "the facts". I would hope you would be equally happy with any of those selections if you believe in letting people choose their belief systems freely.

Its ok with me if you want to focus on the "Christian-delusion" because of its prevalence in America. I was just curious why they were your focus and I appreciate your answer. While it seems you may find both Christians and Muslims far more delusional than I do, I agree that Christians are less delusional than Muslims.

16 years ago @ Atheist Revolution - Deconstructing the Ath... · 7 replies · +1 points

I didn't imply that it is because of the christian belief that stealing is wrong. I just stated that it is one christian belief that I believe the government should enforce. Why should I give an example that is only based in christianity? I am not trying to prove any certain point, I am simply answering a question that was posed to me.

16 years ago @ Atheist Revolution - Deconstructing the Ath... · 0 replies · +1 points

"Troll" (anton) - The question was not about "uniquely christian" beliefs. It was about christian beliefs. Would you like to reformulate the question?

16 years ago @ Atheist Revolution - Deconstructing the Ath... · 2 replies · +1 points

enigma - I did answer that question. Twice actually. It would appear as though you are some sort of troll since you are not acknowledging an answer. I state at the outset of my first comment that I am not an atheist, and therefore I understand that there may be a certain level of immaturity among certain readers of this blog such as yourself who are unable to accept a non-atheist viewpoint. I understand that the agenda of this website is to promote atheism, and that is not my agenda, so many will disagree.

But, to answer your question a third time, I will say that I believe certain christian beliefs should be enforced through US governance (i.e, don't steal). Others may not be as relevant. If you want a different answer you will have to reformulate the question.

16 years ago @ Atheist Revolution - Deconstructing the Ath... · 0 replies · +1 points

In what way did you find my argument circular? It is not constructed in a circular manner by any means.

Additionally, when you ask about should christian beliefs be actively foisted onto others through US governance, my answer is that some of them should. Others, perhaps not. For instance, I think we should restrict people from stealing. I would hope you agree.

16 years ago @ Atheist Revolution - Deconstructing the Ath... · 4 replies · +1 points

Your suggestion that my finding that ridicule of beliefs and believers often occurs simultaneously is faulty is meaningless if you cannot provide an example of this occuring non-simultaneously.

While you may be correct, in part, about those with theistic beliefs being responsible for increasing taxes, going to war, and committing state funds, the same could be said about atheists.

Additionally, what version of webster's dictionary are you using? You have a poor definition. A more appropriate definition would be "great devotion to a person, idea, object, movement, or work (as a film or book); especially : such devotion regarded as a literary or intellectual fad b : the object of such devotion c : a usually small group of people characterized by such devotion". That way, we could call atheism a cult as well.

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