en-us https://www.intensedebate.com/users/4065029 Comments by JohnLSullivan http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/opinion/columnists/liam-clarke/sour-atmosphere-on-the-hill-as-storm-clouds-loom-30130514.html#IDComment811664510 I stepped away from this forum because of these melodramatic type threads, Rosies post was just an opinion and you go all 14 year old girl claiming its the worst thing ever.....then the little name calling at the end...... I suggest you take a time away from the forums and grab real life again..... Sat, 29 Mar 2014 23:48:13 +0000 http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/opinion/columnists/liam-clarke/sour-atmosphere-on-the-hill-as-storm-clouds-loom-30130514.html#IDComment811664510 http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/northern-ireland/visit-our-irish-class-in-loyal-east-belfast-challenge-to-orange-chief-who-hit-out-at-language-29973255.html#IDComment795835642 Is this some reference to you and BigLad's night games? Guy makes a huge sweeping statement, lacks the minerals to back it up and you support it. That's a typical border reiver move? Lob a few grenades into the crowd, high five each other then run off into the darkness....... no wonder that culture is dying Tue, 18 Feb 2014 01:17:28 +0000 http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/northern-ireland/visit-our-irish-class-in-loyal-east-belfast-challenge-to-orange-chief-who-hit-out-at-language-29973255.html#IDComment795835642 http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/northern-ireland/willie-frazer-fury-over-gaa-shirt-in-eastenders-but-its-only-a-school-pe-top-30015790.html#IDComment795832104 Oh Dear Nally expect a full on assault from Reiver Chieftain which this scurrilous attack on the British Empire. Tue, 18 Feb 2014 01:00:48 +0000 http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/northern-ireland/willie-frazer-fury-over-gaa-shirt-in-eastenders-but-its-only-a-school-pe-top-30015790.html#IDComment795832104 http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/northern-ireland/willie-frazer-fury-over-gaa-shirt-in-eastenders-but-its-only-a-school-pe-top-30015790.html#IDComment795830966 Willie doesn't even know anyone who's mature. He surrounds himself with such heavyweights as Bryson, McGee and McCrory who when assembled as a foursome bring more hate and bigotry than other 4 people in the history of Northern Ireland, a state blighted by bigotry and hate. The Mount Rushmore of narrow minded bigots Tue, 18 Feb 2014 00:55:56 +0000 http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/northern-ireland/willie-frazer-fury-over-gaa-shirt-in-eastenders-but-its-only-a-school-pe-top-30015790.html#IDComment795830966 http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/northern-ireland/catholic-manager-fenlon-tipped-to-take-over-at-linfield-30015792.html#IDComment795801497 I'm sure Bryson and Fraser are planning protests as we speak Mon, 17 Feb 2014 22:44:26 +0000 http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/northern-ireland/catholic-manager-fenlon-tipped-to-take-over-at-linfield-30015792.html#IDComment795801497 http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/northern-ireland/willie-frazer-fury-over-gaa-shirt-in-eastenders-but-its-only-a-school-pe-top-30015790.html#IDComment795800845 Willie is a publicity seeker, loves the limelight no matter what the outcome. He needs it to survive so expect more and more bizarre claims from Fraser going forward. Its interesting that Willie played GAA when in his youth and using his own methods of deduction he must have been a junior member of the IRA. Mon, 17 Feb 2014 22:41:35 +0000 http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/northern-ireland/willie-frazer-fury-over-gaa-shirt-in-eastenders-but-its-only-a-school-pe-top-30015790.html#IDComment795800845 http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/debateni/blogs/why-are-spokesmen-with-no-mandate-like-winston-irvine-and-jamie-bryson-allowed-on-the-bbc-as-if-they-were-elected-representatives-29980770.html#IDComment792140407 No one could ever say Bryson cannot be heard, he's a publicity whore who has no substance and no life experience yet pontificates like a college professor.....just for the record if you follow or listen to Bryson you should get out more Thu, 6 Feb 2014 01:36:52 +0000 http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/debateni/blogs/why-are-spokesmen-with-no-mandate-like-winston-irvine-and-jamie-bryson-allowed-on-the-bbc-as-if-they-were-elected-representatives-29980770.html#IDComment792140407 http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/opinion/news-analysis/scottish-no-camp-doesnt-want-ulster-unionists-support-29946116.html#IDComment788390374 "More than a few hundred complained about the flag being flown on designated days," When? December 3 2012 More than 2000 protesters outside Belfast City Hall December 4 2012 More than 2000 protesters at interface in East Belfast December 5 2012 More than 1500 protesters in Carrickfergus December 8 21012 More than 1000 rioted in Newtonabbey December 15 2012 Two large protests at Belfast City Hall with more than 1000 at each protest. On 11 January 2013, protesters blocked roads in Belfast, Bangor, Newtownards, Dundonald and Clough. There was rioting in Newtownabbey and Carrickfergus. More than 2000 in total. On 12 January 1,000 loyalists gathered at City Hall carrying Union Jacks and "No Surrender" banners. The next day over 1,000 people held another "peace rally" outside City Hall There have been numerous other occasions when more than a few hundred gathered to complain about designated days. The cost of policing the protests has been estimated at £20 million (up to 7 March 2013) All this information came from the BBC. Glad to be of service.....anything else? Fri, 24 Jan 2014 20:23:44 +0000 http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/opinion/news-analysis/scottish-no-camp-doesnt-want-ulster-unionists-support-29946116.html#IDComment788390374 http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/opinion/news-analysis/scottish-no-camp-doesnt-want-ulster-unionists-support-29946116.html#IDComment788385248 As is the running off without debating the argument and hiding behind the excuse it was poorly worded. Little Ulstermen are having their world turned upside down and rather than moving with the changes they are cutting off their noses to spite their faces. Fri, 24 Jan 2014 20:00:55 +0000 http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/opinion/news-analysis/scottish-no-camp-doesnt-want-ulster-unionists-support-29946116.html#IDComment788385248 http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/opinion/news-analysis/scottish-no-camp-doesnt-want-ulster-unionists-support-29946116.html#IDComment788384368 More than a few hundred complained about the flag being flown on designated days, your problem with arithmetic usually suits your argument. McDonald is not saying that but shows the fragile nature of your psyche to take that from his article. McDonald was suggesting that Northern Irish unionism panders to old manifesto's and hasn't the pragmatism of Scottish Unionism that is way more inclusive and devoid of sectarianism. If you need help with anymore articles please let me know Fri, 24 Jan 2014 19:57:05 +0000 http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/opinion/news-analysis/scottish-no-camp-doesnt-want-ulster-unionists-support-29946116.html#IDComment788384368 http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/opinion/news-analysis/scottish-no-camp-doesnt-want-ulster-unionists-support-29946116.html#IDComment788291779 No mention of protesters there? Mentions the Union Flag but no mention of protestors Fri, 24 Jan 2014 14:07:14 +0000 http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/opinion/news-analysis/scottish-no-camp-doesnt-want-ulster-unionists-support-29946116.html#IDComment788291779 http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/opinion/news-analysis/scottish-no-camp-doesnt-want-ulster-unionists-support-29946116.html#IDComment788289779 I've cut a pasted it if you want to see it. I assume you deleted it as you didn't want to highlight the fact you brought the fleggers into the debate not the author of the article? · 2 hours ago Good article but unfortunately it falls into the trap of assuming that the few hundred eejits, who care about flegs, are some how representative of the other million Unionists. Report Reply 11 replies · active less than 1 minute ago +8Rosieroop's avatar - Go to profile Rosieroop109p · 2 hours ago Unfortunately the other million unionists and their political representatives don't do anywhere near enough to dispel that assumption. Report Reply +4JohnLSullivan's avatar - Go to profile JohnLSullivan100p · 2 hours ago You think its a few hundred? Because looking at election results Dodds (seen at many fleg marches) get 1000's of votes. There is a large underbelly of unionists who are loyalist sympathizers. Delete Report Reply -4DarwinisGod's avatar - Go to profile DarwinisGod108p · 1 hour ago "You think its a few hundred?" On average yes. The protests have ranged from 2 oul dolls, standing in the peeing rain up to about a thousand. So an average of a few hundred would seem like a reasonable estimate. " Because looking at election results Dodds (seen at many fleg marches) get 1000's of votes. " Firstly Dodds hasn't stood for election since the protests, secondly his vote prior to the protests was already falling (down from 23K in the 90's to less than 15K at the last election) and thirdly he stands in the same constituency as Bomber Kelly and I wouldn't dream of saying that because Bomber Kelly gets votes, all Nationalists are sectarian mass murderers. Report Reply +3JohnLSullivan's avatar - Go to profile JohnLSullivan100p · 1 hour ago Bringing Gerry Kelly into it just muddies the water and brings us to the mirky world that is Northern Irish politics. Lets deal with the topic at hand? Nigel Dodds. He was a noted loyalist before these fleg protests. His votes have dropped but so have many others as voting in general is down (possibly because the electorate are sick of it all) but my question was do you think its only a few hundred? I don't Delete Report Reply -3DarwinisGod's avatar - Go to profile DarwinisGod108p · 1 hour ago "Lets deal with the topic at hand? " You were the one who went off topic and brought Dodds into a discussion about an article on the Scottish referendum. "but my question was do you think its only a few hundred? I don't" Yes and I've already answered that and said how I came to that estimate. Report Reply +1JohnLSullivan's avatar - Go to profile JohnLSullivan100p · 1 hour ago I used Dodds as the example of a person who is a noted loyalist with more support than a few hundred, had I used Bryson or Fraser it would have backed your point that its only a few hundred but I firmly believe that its probably 50-100 thousand. Travel through Northern Ireland and you see fanatical loyalists in all 6 counties. Portavogie Rathfriland. Keady. Markethill. Pomeroy, New Buildings, Clogher, Bessbrook, Drumahoe, Dervock,Upperlands, Ballyclare Larne all look like they are competing with one another to win loyalist area of the year. There are so many more too. It fits your narrative that loyalism has only 200 supporters but don't let the facts get in the way.....because a few hundred show up nightly in Twaddell Ave means nothing. The UVF march to commemorate 100 years had 10,000 Delete Report Reply 0DarwinisGod's avatar - Go to profile DarwinisGod108p · 26 minutes ago Not sure what point you're trying to make. My original point and subsequent responses was in regards to the fleg protests (as mentioned in the article), you now seem to have moved onto a discussion of how many Loyalists there are in NI. A totally different topic. Report Reply +1JohnLSullivan's avatar - Go to profile JohnLSullivan100p · 13 minutes ago Henry McDonald did not mention the fleg protesters in his article, you brought them into this in your comment. The crux of his article was the unionists in Scotland differ from their Northern Irish counterparts because the Scots prefer all the benefits that go along with being part of the United Kingdom while the Northern Irish variety cling to the flag and their past rather than being pragmatic. You may need to read it again because at no point does the recent protests about Belfast City Hall but rather politicians like Nesbitt, Robinson and even Trimble. The Orange Order even gets a mention but not the fleggers. Edit Delete Report Fri, 24 Jan 2014 13:59:05 +0000 http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/opinion/news-analysis/scottish-no-camp-doesnt-want-ulster-unionists-support-29946116.html#IDComment788289779 http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/opinion/news-analysis/scottish-no-camp-doesnt-want-ulster-unionists-support-29946116.html#IDComment788285237 Henry McDonald did not mention the fleg protesters in his article, you brought them into this in your comment. The crux of his article was the unionists in Scotland differ from their Northern Irish counterparts because the Scots prefer all the benefits that go along with being part of the United Kingdom while the Northern Irish variety cling to the flag and their past rather than being pragmatic. You may need to read it again because at no point does the recent protests about Belfast City Hall but rather politicians like Nesbitt, Robinson and even Trimble. The Orange Order even gets a mention but not the fleggers. Fri, 24 Jan 2014 13:41:19 +0000 http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/opinion/news-analysis/scottish-no-camp-doesnt-want-ulster-unionists-support-29946116.html#IDComment788285237 http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/opinion/news-analysis/scottish-no-camp-doesnt-want-ulster-unionists-support-29946116.html#IDComment788273019 I've not denied the large support for Kelly my point was there are way more than a few hundred loyalists in Northern Ireland and to suggest so is being dishonest. Fri, 24 Jan 2014 12:53:57 +0000 http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/opinion/news-analysis/scottish-no-camp-doesnt-want-ulster-unionists-support-29946116.html#IDComment788273019 http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/opinion/news-analysis/scottish-no-camp-doesnt-want-ulster-unionists-support-29946116.html#IDComment788269495 I used Dodds as the example of a person who is a noted loyalist with more support than a few hundred, had I used Bryson or Fraser it would have backed your point that its only a few hundred but I firmly believe that its probably 50-100 thousand. Travel through Northern Ireland and you see fanatical loyalists in all 6 counties. Portavogie Rathfriland. Keady. Markethill. Pomeroy, New Buildings, Clogher, Bessbrook, Drumahoe, Dervock,Upperlands, Ballyclare Larne all look like they are competing with one another to win loyalist area of the year. There are so many more too. It fits your narrative that loyalism has only 200 supporters but don't let the facts get in the way.....because a few hundred show up nightly in Twaddell Ave means nothing. The UVF march to commemorate 100 years had 10,000 Fri, 24 Jan 2014 12:40:17 +0000 http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/opinion/news-analysis/scottish-no-camp-doesnt-want-ulster-unionists-support-29946116.html#IDComment788269495 http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/northern-ireland/outrage-as-dup-pressure-closes-bible-spoof-play-complete-word-of-god-29946076.html#IDComment788262223 Very good assessment Fri, 24 Jan 2014 12:11:20 +0000 http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/northern-ireland/outrage-as-dup-pressure-closes-bible-spoof-play-complete-word-of-god-29946076.html#IDComment788262223 http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/opinion/news-analysis/scottish-no-camp-doesnt-want-ulster-unionists-support-29946116.html#IDComment788261527 Bringing Gerry Kelly into it just muddies the water and brings us to the mirky world that is Northern Irish politics. Lets deal with the topic at hand? Nigel Dodds. He was a noted loyalist before these fleg protests. His votes have dropped but so have many others as voting in general is down (possibly because the electorate are sick of it all) but my question was do you think its only a few hundred? I don't Fri, 24 Jan 2014 12:08:34 +0000 http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/opinion/news-analysis/scottish-no-camp-doesnt-want-ulster-unionists-support-29946116.html#IDComment788261527 http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/opinion/news-analysis/scottish-no-camp-doesnt-want-ulster-unionists-support-29946116.html#IDComment788255877 You think its a few hundred? Because looking at election results Dodds (seen at many fleg marches) get 1000's of votes. There is a large underbelly of unionists who are loyalist sympathizers. Fri, 24 Jan 2014 11:46:09 +0000 http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/opinion/news-analysis/scottish-no-camp-doesnt-want-ulster-unionists-support-29946116.html#IDComment788255877 http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/northern-ireland/psni-chief-constable-matt-baggott-to-retire-29940422.html#IDComment787548643 A feather in his cap is that Bryson and Fraser are delighted he's moving on. He stood up to dissidents and extreme loyalists alike....brought the Police into the 21st century Wed, 22 Jan 2014 15:43:02 +0000 http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/northern-ireland/psni-chief-constable-matt-baggott-to-retire-29940422.html#IDComment787548643 http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/debateni/blogs/rise-of-selfappointed-spokesmen-like-mervyn-gibson-willie-frazer-and-jamie-bryson-is-a-failure-of-democracy-29934155.html#IDComment787084476 Follow Bryson on twitter, he actually thinks he's a player in local politics. I'm now wondering if him and Fraser are an Ali G/Borat satire duo who'll come clean soon and shout gotcha at us all. The real problem is the culture in Northern Ireland that accepts blatant sectarianism as political policy. Tue, 21 Jan 2014 12:15:41 +0000 http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/debateni/blogs/rise-of-selfappointed-spokesmen-like-mervyn-gibson-willie-frazer-and-jamie-bryson-is-a-failure-of-democracy-29934155.html#IDComment787084476