en-us https://www.intensedebate.com/users/688358 Comments by JohnDayHunter http://www.centraloregonian.com/archives/Story.aspx/12476#IDComment148807491 I have worked with Rick on this case on separate occasions. I found him self centered and absorbed and a stretcher of the truth. He is far from an investigative journalist. My heart goes out to the Brooks family, who no only lost their son, but were hounded by Rick for years, begging him to leave them alone. Which he did not. Wed, 4 May 2011 13:47:58 +0000 http://www.centraloregonian.com/archives/Story.aspx/12476#IDComment148807491 http://www.kptv.com/news/24556227/detail.html#IDComment91774470 Give me 5 minutes with these two women. By minute 3, they'd be screaming the location of where they put Kyron. Mon, 9 Aug 2010 16:44:56 +0000 http://www.kptv.com/news/24556227/detail.html#IDComment91774470 http://www.katu.com/news/local/97533749.html#IDComment83818751 Amen SportsMomma. It is ratings ... and unfortunately, WE the public have made the media what it is today. If it bleeds .. it leads. And they MUST be the FIRST to broadcast their "find". They were following Search and Recuers into the fields (after being told by LE to stay on the public roads and NOT go into the fields with S&R) yelling "What do you think happened to Kyron?" .... "Do you think he's dead?" ..... "Are you looking for a body?". Vultures is all they are. Nothing more than vultures. BUT .... we made them that way. Thu, 1 Jul 2010 14:37:56 +0000 http://www.katu.com/news/local/97533749.html#IDComment83818751 http://www.katu.com/news/local/97533749.html#IDComment83814863 Bunny, I know you mean well ... however, LE has, from day one, had more dogs involved in this than you can count. They have had over 600 (trained and certified) Search and Rescue personnel. LE and the FBI are highly trained and know exactly what they are doing. We as the general public are not allowed to know the inner workings of LE and the FBI. It is basically ... none of our business. Leave them alone. Let them do their jobs even if it's not "convenient" to the public to make us wait. Thu, 1 Jul 2010 14:22:41 +0000 http://www.katu.com/news/local/97533749.html#IDComment83814863 http://www.katu.com/news/local/64461637.html#IDComment58663093 So hows that whole "conspiracy theory" working out for you now that you know it WAS all Means fault ? Jerk. Thu, 25 Feb 2010 16:08:55 +0000 http://www.katu.com/news/local/64461637.html#IDComment58663093 http://www.katu.com/news/local/85060852.html#IDComment58661288 Wow ... the loss of a dear friend and wonderful man to an accident has somehow turned into a conspiracy theory?.. Bigsmile: "Would be interesting to know why this accident actually happened" and "Once you accept the government's sovereignty over your actions and body do you not cease being a citizen and become a subject?" Bigsmile: You've got waaaaaaay too much time on your hands. Buckraber: Kudos Thu, 25 Feb 2010 15:52:41 +0000 http://www.katu.com/news/local/85060852.html#IDComment58661288 http://www.katu.com/news/local/69382957.html#IDComment42611572 Absolutely. When something like this happens, it all happens in the blink of an eye. To be able to make THAT kind of decision (to try to shoot the gun out of Means hand to avoid killing him) is a decision I know for a fact that I could not make. There are too many variables. What if I miss? Means' 9mm was in the elder Havilks gut. One pull of the trigger and Havlik is dead. What if my shot sets off the gun into the elder Havilk anyway? What if I miss, but hit the 11 year old? Too many variabes in a split second decision. Just empty your clip into his head. End of threat Mon, 9 Nov 2009 21:57:18 +0000 http://www.katu.com/news/local/69382957.html#IDComment42611572 http://www.katu.com/news/local/69382957.html#IDComment42610409 Please provide us with the link that stated Means was a missing person. Me thinks you have Means and a different fellow mixed up. There was a person from the Rainbow group who went missing last year. They located his remains 3 weeks ago. Mon, 9 Nov 2009 21:45:45 +0000 http://www.katu.com/news/local/69382957.html#IDComment42610409 http://www.katu.com/news/local/69382957.html#IDComment42476390 Page two of two If the Havilks are on top of this, I advise you to file suit against Jackie Means and Frank Means estate A.S.A.P. All three of you will be scarred for life over this. Not to mention how it is going to effect the 11 year old. All because they allowed him to go, with a firearm, (not intervening) knowing what COULD happen. Get ahead of her before she puts you through even more hell than Frank put you through. Sun, 8 Nov 2009 18:52:29 +0000 http://www.katu.com/news/local/69382957.html#IDComment42476390 http://www.katu.com/news/local/69382957.html#IDComment42476361 I knew in my gut that Jackie Means was out for money from the get-go. Now sure enough ... she's going to sue the Havilks and Law Enforcement. Well THAT is certainly going to be interesting! As soon as she files, the investigation is going to show how much of a drunk Means was. And they WILL find people to testify about his drinking, and why they wouldn't go hunting with him. (Including his own son who refused to hunt with him. When Means was shot, his son was deer hunting and camped 10 miles away. That in itself, speaks VOLUMES) To be THAT intoxicated and still be able to function shows that Means had been a raging drunk for years. His family needs to be held accountable for allowing him to continue to drink and put peoples lives in danger, whether it be from drinking and driving, or drinking and hunting. His own son was smart enough not to hunt with Means. (Page one of two) Sun, 8 Nov 2009 18:52:06 +0000 http://www.katu.com/news/local/69382957.html#IDComment42476361 http://www.katu.com/news/local/69382957.html#IDComment42474985 Hey coverup ... there is ZERO cell service at the Preist Hole. Stop trying to stir up the crap. Sun, 8 Nov 2009 18:33:16 +0000 http://www.katu.com/news/local/69382957.html#IDComment42474985 http://www.katu.com/news/local/69382957.html#IDComment42459283 Darn those independent witnesses! Darn the 911 tapes that are recorded and time-stamped! Darn those independent witnesses! Darn those evil Havilks for trying to get Means to calm down! Darn those independent witnesses! Darn Devon Havilk thinking he might be able to shoot the gun out of Means hand instead of killing him! Darn those independent witnesses! Darn those uncaring and horrid Havilks for saving the 11 year old from being killed. Darn those independent witnesses! And darn them for trying to save Means life after he was down! Darn those independent witnesses! And how DARE them go to the nearest house for help, call 911, wait for Law Enforcement, co-operate fully, volunteer their statements, clothing and weapons, then stay in Mitchell all night and continue to co-operate fully with any and all Law Enforcement involved. (Yep, there's a FEW things you don't know) What horrible, rotten, evil people the Havilks are !!!!! How dare them try to defuse a life threatening situation that Means caused! And those darned independent witnesses should be tarred and feathered for going to Mitchell and calling 911! Sun, 8 Nov 2009 15:32:21 +0000 http://www.katu.com/news/local/69382957.html#IDComment42459283 http://www.katu.com/news/local/69382957.html#IDComment42397318 For pete's sake ... not everything is allowed to be "your" business. Especially during an intense investigation. "You" (the general public) are not allowed to know until it is all over and no more questions are left unanswered. There are always "more details" than the public or press are allowed to know. So get over yourself. Trust me, you are just not THAT important. Sun, 8 Nov 2009 01:25:43 +0000 http://www.katu.com/news/local/69382957.html#IDComment42397318 http://www.katu.com/news/local/69382957.html#IDComment42396741 Thank you DangIt2 ! Too bad a few on here are making up their own stories. Sun, 8 Nov 2009 01:18:22 +0000 http://www.katu.com/news/local/69382957.html#IDComment42396741 http://www.katu.com/news/local/69382957.html#IDComment42396231 This has been explained to you 3 times ... yet you will not shutup about it: Oregon law states "Self Defense/Defense of Others ..... IS THE SAME LAW !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sun, 8 Nov 2009 01:11:31 +0000 http://www.katu.com/news/local/69382957.html#IDComment42396231 http://www.katu.com/news/local/69382957.html#IDComment42393597 Cougar are known as the "Silent Cats". Yes, they are stealthy. That's why we carry large sidearms when we hunt. A 9 Mike normally will not take down a 180 pound cat on the first shot...hence the .357. And river... you're making yourself look more and more like an idiot each time you post. Get over it . It was self defense. And I bet dollars to donuts the wife tries to sue the poor Havliks. Sun, 8 Nov 2009 00:54:06 +0000 http://www.katu.com/news/local/69382957.html#IDComment42393597 http://www.katu.com/news/local/69382957.html#IDComment42267098 And it keeps the cougars on your deer and out of your tent. Fri, 6 Nov 2009 21:29:50 +0000 http://www.katu.com/news/local/69382957.html#IDComment42267098 http://www.katu.com/news/local/69382957.html#IDComment42266964 Apparently you didn't actually READ the press release. Fri, 6 Nov 2009 21:28:26 +0000 http://www.katu.com/news/local/69382957.html#IDComment42266964 http://www.katu.com/news/local/69382957.html#IDComment42266236 Actually, they take notes on a piece of granite with a chisel. You're not sure they have come a long way from 5 1/4" floppy disks? Well THAT certainly isn't demeaning the entire Grand Jury as well as OSP, WCSO, the DA, the ME and all who had to show up to tesify. Not to mention anyone who works there incuding the Judges. What a great ad-hominem, jerk. Fri, 6 Nov 2009 21:23:03 +0000 http://www.katu.com/news/local/69382957.html#IDComment42266236 http://www.katu.com/news/local/69382957.html#IDComment42261512 It's all public record from the Grand Jury in Fossil, Oregon. Fri, 6 Nov 2009 20:50:04 +0000 http://www.katu.com/news/local/69382957.html#IDComment42261512