en-us https://www.intensedebate.com/users/525244 Comments by JamieB http://theglennbeck912project.com/?page_id=647#IDComment21043685 Got it, mine is not an issue of manhood, it's an issue of futility I guess, your point is well taken about the web master though....I wont pretend to know what's been going on here for the long term and appreciate your not only having been here that long but your persistence with your point and ability to continue making it. I will digress on the whole leadership thing as I agree with you that the ideas and people need to be organized so that none are lost rather than have them be piled into oblivion by other posts. I Fri, 8 May 2009 08:33:25 +0000 http://theglennbeck912project.com/?page_id=647#IDComment21043685 http://theglennbeck912project.com/?page_id=647#IDComment21034817 Is it not true though that the webmaster controls the site? I'm with you on the organization thing Bo but what does a straw man "panel" do if it cant organize the website anyway? As you know I (only been here a few days although I have been following Glenn for a long time) think "leadership" is a horrible idea. If anything let volunteers do whatever needs to be done for the cause without a vote. Let the real work be done in the states and districts with this site being a guide and a meeting point like a lobby in a big building with a help desk assigning each individual to their local group. Fri, 8 May 2009 06:56:49 +0000 http://theglennbeck912project.com/?page_id=647#IDComment21034817 http://theglennbeck912project.com/?page_id=647#IDComment21025512 I agree 100%, I have no problem being a servant of the people in fact I would prefer it, that said, I also would rather have many regional voices (as laid out by the House of Representatives) than to have one voice that albeit might be loud does not represent the values of many at first and then of most later.....kinda like what's going on now with whoever is in congress be it GOP or the Dems....both are driven by money and agendas and neither in their current form represent anyone because they are busy trying to represent everyone. If however your one voice is a temporary one for the moment to yell "STOP THE SPENDING" until we wrest control, well then I'm certainly down with that. Fri, 8 May 2009 05:41:56 +0000 http://theglennbeck912project.com/?page_id=647#IDComment21025512 http://theglennbeck912project.com/?page_id=647#IDComment21025193 It's under maintenance right now, but thanks Rose, I'll check it out. Fri, 8 May 2009 05:33:21 +0000 http://theglennbeck912project.com/?page_id=647#IDComment21025193 http://theglennbeck912project.com/?page_id=647#IDComment21025121 Let em hang around, the more they read on here the more they're exposed to it, the more of them will realize we're right and join us. Knowlege is power. Fri, 8 May 2009 05:30:51 +0000 http://theglennbeck912project.com/?page_id=647#IDComment21025121 http://theglennbeck912project.com/?page_id=647#IDComment21025020 Absolutely true, this is fantastic. The fastest and easiest way to defeat enviro-fascism and free up the natural resourses of the states. Fri, 8 May 2009 05:27:50 +0000 http://theglennbeck912project.com/?page_id=647#IDComment21025020 http://theglennbeck912project.com/?page_id=647#IDComment21024895 It is not in my intrest to offend or upset anyone in saying this, I just don't see what it accomplishes and I for one am very leery of any new national group forming that is going to eventually ask for money. It would occur to me that national groups and national monies are the problem as their influence usurps the will of the people at a local level through campaign spending and the spread of untruths about candidates, and at the national level by forcing candidates to be loyal to the party rather than to his/her constituants. Fri, 8 May 2009 05:23:52 +0000 http://theglennbeck912project.com/?page_id=647#IDComment21024895 http://theglennbeck912project.com/?page_id=647#IDComment21024675 I might suggest that if we were to have "leaders" on this site we might be more likely to call them "custodians", someone to guide individuals to their local 912 charter (it has been my suggestion that we organize by Congressional House District and then further by community from within) so that we can get to the real work of taking over our government from the ground up. Having a leadership here to me seems to be an excersize in futility. I could be wrong however I can't seem to come up with any reason for it other than to feed people's egos. Fri, 8 May 2009 05:17:31 +0000 http://theglennbeck912project.com/?page_id=647#IDComment21024675 http://theglennbeck912project.com/?page_id=647#IDComment21023064 Erika, thank you for your time and efforts first off. Other than the collection of information, what is the purpose of your panel? May I suggest adding to it's purpose to start some kind of a framework to filter/funnel people to their local states, districts, and communities? I am of the opinion that that is what we are really lacking to get this movement going. Many people are aware of the issues and come here looking for a place to be able to act and their efforts are lost because their energies are left unfocused. I will abstain from further comment on this post until I have seen your response. Fri, 8 May 2009 04:33:40 +0000 http://theglennbeck912project.com/?page_id=647#IDComment21023064 http://theglennbeck912project.com/?page_id=647#IDComment20987062 The answer does not lie with this site, it is a great forum for us to get on and communicate what we are doing locally, however an elected "leadership" doesnt solve anything here. Many of us are working to organize on the state or local levels to work our communities. What is striking to me at least is the apathy that still remains in the community at large. I live in a conservative voting area in my very liberal state and still in my district barely 1/3 of the people normally vote and of those who do many voted for Obama and don't have a clue or the desire to get one about what is happening right now. Thu, 7 May 2009 17:47:40 +0000 http://theglennbeck912project.com/?page_id=647#IDComment20987062 http://theglennbeck912project.com/?page_id=647#IDComment20913785 Aspade, you come on here trying to organize something the way you want to see it and that is commendable, however when it doesnt work despite you trying to shove it down everyone's throat, you throw a fit and proclaim your withdrawal....i'll call it lack of resolve to be nice. You have been on here for at least an hour and a half now crying out for attention for anyone who will give it to you....here you go, now fulfill your prophecy and go away, you are no leader, you are a coward. Is this not exactly how our government in Washington is acting? Wed, 6 May 2009 22:30:53 +0000 http://theglennbeck912project.com/?page_id=647#IDComment20913785 http://theglennbeck912project.com/?page_id=647#IDComment20912513 You cannot change the minds of these politicians...give that up entirely. They are driven by money, not constituants, every constituant of a district could send the same exact letter to their representative and it wouldnt change the vote as they are owned by their party ie: Nancy Pelosi....she says "be loyal to me and I will ensure you get re-elected, we'll put a picture of you with a puppy and destroy your opponent....even if it means lying or twisting reality"...look what they did to Sarah. Wed, 6 May 2009 22:06:32 +0000 http://theglennbeck912project.com/?page_id=647#IDComment20912513 http://theglennbeck912project.com/?page_id=647#IDComment20911394 Progress is being made, people who otherwise didnt have the intestinal fortitude or the organizational ability to keep water in a cup are coming out of the woodwork with ideas. There seems to be a swing to moving toward precints, communities, and umhem....Districts....ie: House Districts.....We must continue, I for one will be off for the next 4 days and will work tirelessly to either find and support or start a website/blog for the 4th Congressional District of Oregon....with or without any knowlege of how to do it. We must stay away from national groups and PACs etc, anything with a "please support us with money" section on the home page must be avoided like the plague....I mean swine flu....sorry. BIG NATIONAL GROUPS AND MONEY = LOBBY = THE PROBLEM not the solution. We need to make the people of our individual districts the Special Intrest of our particular representatives......and if I see or hear another person say the word LEADER I am going to cry! THEY ARE REPRESENTATIVES!!@! Wed, 6 May 2009 21:47:24 +0000 http://theglennbeck912project.com/?page_id=647#IDComment20911394 http://theglennbeck912project.com/?page_id=647#IDComment20910562 What a baby, are you drunk? My kids acted older than this fighting over the front seat when they were 7 and 8. You have certainly shown your lack of leadership and exactly why we must shy away from some kind of school kids student council elections. We all need to start acting in our districts where we can effect real change. I cant vote for Florida's or Texas' representatives nor should I be trying to influence them at all, I can only have impact in the 4th Congressional District in Oregon where I am registered to vote. We are all aware of what is going on in Washington and are aware that our government is exactly what our founders feared. Aspade throw your fit on the floor whilst we all stand around and laugh then grab your bootstraps, man up and get your ass to work. This is serious business not a preschool give me my barney back tirade..... Wed, 6 May 2009 21:32:57 +0000 http://theglennbeck912project.com/?page_id=647#IDComment20910562 http://theglennbeck912project.com/?page_id=647#IDComment20859576 Baby that is exactly right, the only way to have lasting influence is if we start in our local comunities with friends, family, co-workers, strangers in our supermarkets, etc. But we need an overall structure where we can link the communities and smaller networks to effect a larger change. I have suggested many times that we do that by House District because by the Constitution that is the only place where we are supposed to have an actual individual vote as the senate was originally supposed to be picked by the state legislatures and the President was supposed to be picked by the electoral college with sway from the popular vote. If we were able to gain control of our house districts through educating a majority we could organize the districts to gain control of the states. It wouldnt matter Republican, Democrat, or 5th grade birthday party for that matter because the people themselves would have control and the representative would know that, having probably been elected through the orginazation of the district group. Wed, 6 May 2009 04:19:21 +0000 http://theglennbeck912project.com/?page_id=647#IDComment20859576 http://theglennbeck912project.com/?page_id=647#IDComment20858578 If we could just organize by House District under the umbrella of the 912 project home page with a link by zip code we could take each individual district through local community involvement. It would not require national money or influence other than the organization of the home page. Building a majority in our House District would not only enable us The People to gain control of our individual district but to organize together with other districts in our state to take back our state legislatures and governor's mansions. The People would then control the real power in the country and each district would be represented again in the House of Representatives to hash out what the American People want on the national stage....We would then become the special intrest lobby. Wed, 6 May 2009 04:01:12 +0000 http://theglennbeck912project.com/?page_id=647#IDComment20858578 http://theglennbeck912project.com/?page_id=647#IDComment20858328 Marine, that is exactly RIGHT! The question I have is where can we go under a national umbrella to get to our groups? I have suggested to Glenn Beck to put a link on this site with all of the house districts by zip code so that we can organize our individual district groups and split them down to local communities but I cant seem to get any traction and without the umbrella group where everyone can be funneled to all be on the same overall page I'm not sure that organizing local groups will do much good. Will you join me in clamoring for Glenn to establish a framework for this on the 912 project? I will gladly comb the streets in my community for people to join and become involved if I have a place to take them to organize. Thanks. Wed, 6 May 2009 03:55:13 +0000 http://theglennbeck912project.com/?page_id=647#IDComment20858328 http://theglennbeck912project.com/?page_id=647#IDComment20723924 I have been trying to advocate this but instead of by state, by district. The constitution was designed so that the only direct vote the people were supposed to have was for their House Representative. The Senate was elected by the state legislature, and the President was to be elected by the electoral college with sway from the general population. I have lobbied Glenn Beck to have a link on the 912 homepage so that we might be able to organize this under the "umbrella" of the 912 project nationally. Once a state had control of it's districts it would be very easy for the districts to allign for control of the state itself....ie: the majority would be there for voting in the Governor and legislative body. And it doesnt require any national monies or influence from other states. Each state would maintain it's autonomy and each House Representative would be beholden to the people who elected him/her. Tue, 5 May 2009 04:59:01 +0000 http://theglennbeck912project.com/?page_id=647#IDComment20723924 http://theglennbeck912project.com/?page_id=647#IDComment20623097 Thanks, I'm starting to believe that, Globalists or other wise, for Jeb to sit there and say that shows he has no clue what The American People think, and they're still thinking the propaganda of them telling us what the American People think makes us "bahhhh" and get back in the fence. I for one am tired of it, I tried to offer a suggestion on how to move forward to fix this however I'm a bit of a blogging noob and I screwed my format up so bad that people might not be able to understand what i'm suggesting. Have a good day and Thanks for your Service. Mon, 4 May 2009 09:11:41 +0000 http://theglennbeck912project.com/?page_id=647#IDComment20623097 http://theglennbeck912project.com/?page_id=647#IDComment20622208 part 2 Mon, 4 May 2009 08:55:52 +0000 http://theglennbeck912project.com/?page_id=647#IDComment20622208