JustAJoeK
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15 years ago @ Atheist Revolution - Success of Atheist Com... · 0 replies · +1 points
15 years ago @ Atheist Revolution - Do You Wear Atheist T-... · 3 replies · +3 points
As far as the content of t-shirts and stickers, I think something a little subtle, such as the FSM or other skeptical "in jokes", might be a more comfortable starting point than the "There's probably no god" shirt. Those more-subtle decorations are likely to draw the attention of more thoughtful folks, maybe allowing you to engage in a dialog; whereas the more obvious and confrontational ones are more likely to draw the attention of good Christian god-fearing atheist-hating rednecks. :-p
As an aside, I live in far far west Texas, which is ever-so-slightly bluer than the rest of the state. I used to have a Ford Ranger whose tailgate was 100% covered with various skeptical, progressive, and sci-fi-related bumper stickers, including a couple of different Darwinfish. I never had a problem here, or when I lived in west Georgia (south of Atlanta) and drove the same truck with mostly the same stickers.
16 years ago @ Atheist Revolution - Helping Haiti: Non-Bel... · 0 replies · 0 points
16 years ago @ Atheist Revolution - What Atheists Could Le... · 0 replies · +2 points
16 years ago @ Atheist Revolution - What Atheists Could Le... · 2 replies · +1 points
Just an anecdote:
After moving across the country in 2000, I had no close friends for about 4 years. I also had no regular social engagements other than twice-weekly classes at a local martial arts studio; and I did not find that a particularly good environment to form friendships.
In autumn of 2004, my then-7yo daughter started talking a lot about god, and about wanting to go to church with her school friends. I told her, "That would be OK, but I think we'll also check out the local Unitarian Universalist church, just to get some balance." My reasoning was that the UU folks would give her an overview of lots of different belief systems, without trying to talk her into the God Given Truth of any of them. That was my only motivation for attending a UU service, so I was unprepared for what happened next.
The first Sunday we went, the congregation read the UU "Affirmation" in unison, as they always do: "Love is the doctrine of this congregation; the quest for truth is its sacrament; and service is its prayer." I almost burst into tears. This group recitation spoke to something in me that I didn't even recognize until that moment. I was raised Catholic, and had been exposed to church ritual from a very young age, but of course abandoned it all as meaningless and damaging when I was a teenager. This was a similar kind of thing -- except that it expressed what seemed to me wholly positive ideas. And I suddenly felt right at home there, among complete strangers, many of whom have since become close friends.
I am completely "out" as an atheist in the UU community, and have been wholeheartedly welcomed -- in fact I presented a "sermon" on atheism one Sunday this past September, and it was very well received (although not universally agreed with).
Incidentally, my expectations about the UU "Sunday school" program were right -- they spend time looking at all kinds of religious belief from a fairly objective standpoint, and probably even more time doing various social-justice activities. (They also consciously cultivate an atmosphere of mutual support and respect among the kids, which is very much at odds with what I see happening in the public school system.) My daughter now absolutely insists on going to church at UU every Sunday, and her closest friends are there. At age 12, she self-identifies as an atheist with pagan/naturist sympathies.
16 years ago @ Atheist Revolution - What Atheists Could Le... · 1 reply · +2 points
Two comments:
1) We in the US live in a culture positively soaked in Christian ideas and beliefs. Just knowing that someone is an atheist in this environment tells me that they almost certainly share some important things with me, such as a fundamentally thoughtful and evidence-oriented worldview, and an ability to swim against the cultural tide. Sure, it's possible we'll clash about any number of other things, but in this place and at this time, I find that a person's self-identifying as atheist is a fairly reliable indicator that they have other characteristics I will appreciate.
2) I've found it difficult to establish (or in a few cases, maintain) deep connections with my religious friends and acquaintances. If a person takes their faith very seriously, or has solid beliefs about woo-woo stuff like ghosts or UFOs, I feel that for politeness's sake I ought to avoid engaging them on that topic. (Also, I find that in many cases logical reasoning about such phenomena results in a torrent of anecdotes along with the challenge: "How do you explain THAT?" And I never know where to go at that point. I usually just say, "I don't know" and leave it at that.) Anyway my point is, having some large topic that's effectively off-limits puts a damper on forming deep connections, for me anyway.
So I personally tend to view a person's atheism as an encouraging indicator of general compatibility, in the absence of contra-indications.
16 years ago @ Atheist Revolution - Are Atheists Less Soci... · 0 replies · +2 points
no... i dont, but i've learned from experience that its best to have many friends, however all of them may not be in my immediate circle of close friends though, but that doesnt mean they are not really good friends of mine"
I agree with this. And I'll add that it's nice to have a circulating circle of close friends. People can wear on each other after a while, and when that starts to happen they can drift apart. If you have a number of friends of different degrees of closeness, it can be OK for that drifting-apart to happen; and it's often accompanied by a drifting-together with an individual that you don't know so well. Brownian motion of relationships, or something.
It's just nice to be "known" for who you are. It can be hard, though, even to acknowledge that such "knowing" would be good, especially for people who answer "Yep, that's me!" to all three of those questions above. (As I would.)
16 years ago @ Atheist Revolution - Are Atheists Less Soci... · 0 replies · +1 points
(First line: "Hi. I'm Joe, and I'm a member of the evidence-based community.")
One might object that by implicitly approving the ideology of the non-extremist Christian element of the UU community, I am also abetting the larger pattern of Christians not criticizing Christian extremism due to religious fellow-feeling. However, it's been my experience that the kinds of Christians attracted to UU are also those who do not hesitate to criticize extreme religious behavior. There's also a good bit of "woo" in the UU community, but that's often fodder for interesting conversation and debate.
16 years ago @ Atheist Revolution - Are Atheists Less Soci... · 0 replies · +2 points
Or just watch and listen. That's my strategy, usually. OTOH I don't really worry about being ostracized because of my beliefs. I'm unlikely to be friends with a person about whom I'd have that kind of concern, and I'm *really* unlikely to attend a gathering where I don't expect a few of my friends-who-know-my-views to be present. Then when other folks talk about god, I can roll my eyes at my buds.