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4 years ago @ http://www.conservativ... - Andrew Gimson's Common... · 0 replies · +1 points

Winning it is now irrelevant. It will be amended to death to the point the EU reject it and Remainers will then say “we better stay after all. And no, you can’t have a GE until we’ve finally managed to find a way to bin Brexit that means we don’t get the blame”.

4 years ago @ http://www.conservativ... - Andrew Gimson's Common... · 0 replies · +1 points

How are you going to organise a referendum in 11 days?

4 years ago @ http://www.conservativ... - Andrew Gimson's Common... · 1 reply · +1 points

Same old fallacious argument.

If it wasn’t for the ERG we would be stuck as non-voting members forever, being shafted by the EU for eternity.

4 years ago @ http://www.conservativ... - WATCH: Johnson - I hop... · 4 replies · +1 points

You understand the cost but not the value.

We’re better off as we can now directly elect and remove our political leaders and have a civil service that is dictated to by the elected government, not the other way around.

We can control our borders and won’t be forced into a military union that is likely to see us lose our ability to defend our key overseas territories and put our foreign policy in the hands of foreigners.

There *might* be a long term economic cost to this, but that is yet to be proved. Personally I think the limited cost is well worth the price to get away from the federalist dreams of unaccountable has beens.

4 years ago @ http://www.conservativ... - Garvan Walshe: Erdogan... · 0 replies · +1 points

Mingymoo,

Russia took Ukraine and encouraged the barrel bombing of children in Syria, all because the UK forced the political decision in the US not to intervene after chemical weapons were used and emboldened the West’s enemies.

The appeasement policy you suggest already actively caused the deaths of thousands, often in the most barbaric terms.

Well done,

4 years ago @ http://www.conservativ... - Garvan Walshe: Erdogan... · 1 reply · +1 points

We’d be defending western interests, likely with US assistance.

Those bases are critical for numerous aspects of western security. We wouldn’t be doing it “on behalf of the EU”. We’d be doing it on behalf of us, and the rest of Western civilisation.

To suggest this is some meaningless task over a few square miles of wasteland shows you either know little of geo-politics or you’re trying to subvert Western influence on geo-politics.

4 years ago @ http://www.conservativ... - Garvan Walshe: Erdogan... · 3 replies · +1 points

We wouldn’t be defending the EU from Turkey, we’d be defending a strategically vital base and would likely receive US help to do so.

It’s not just a place planes land, it’s importance to the defence of western interests in the ME are hard to overstate.

4 years ago @ http://www.conservativ... - Garvan Walshe: Erdogan... · 0 replies · +1 points

Turkish submarines have to get through the straits, never going to be an issue.

4 years ago @ http://www.conservativ... - WATCH: Gauke denies "c... · 1 reply · +1 points

They are doing a lot wrong. They are colluding with a foreign power to defeat the aims of Her Majesty's legitimate government.

If they don't like the Government they should dissolve it, not stoop to morally questionable acts that would have seen them headless in a bygone age.

4 years ago @ http://www.conservativ... - WATCH: Gauke denies "c... · 0 replies · +1 points

"Lunatics" and Remainers say we need to de-escalate the insults.

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