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4 years ago @ http://www.conservativ... - The MPs we deserve · 0 replies · +1 points

The distinction is meaningless, as Parliament can simply ‘unbind’ itself by amending or repealing legislation if it wishes to.

The only ‘binding’ element that matters in our system is the democratic expectation that results will be implemented, as politicians of all stripes repeatedly said it would be in this case.

4 years ago @ http://www.conservativ... - Local elections 3) The... · 0 replies · +1 points

The democratic requirement of the referendum is that the UK Leave the European Union.

Do you consider that the UK has left the European Union?

If the side with an army and militarised police force decides we aren’t going to implement that particular result because they don’t like it then there isn’t much I can do about it, but I’m not going to see that happen and still go along with the fantasy that we have a democracy or that I am an enfranchised citizen. I am a subject of the EU, against my will and against the expressed will of the British people.

4 years ago @ http://www.conservativ... - FINAL COUNCILLOR TALLY... · 0 replies · +1 points

I’d love to have a mainstream party to support which doesn’t believe in subjecting the British people to foreign rule against their will.

4 years ago @ http://www.conservativ... - Local elections 1) Res... · 0 replies · +1 points

The Conservative Lie that they would respect the EU referendum result is like Clegg’s tuition fees pledge on steroids.

On balance perhaps it was still a lie worth telling though as the Conservative party still succeeded in stealing two general elections on the back of it and fraudulently remaining in government for a few years longer.

4 years ago @ http://www.conservativ... - Local elections 3) The... · 2 replies · +1 points

Mental gymnastics for the undemocratic minority to justify not implementing a result they don’t like. Effectively it amounts to ‘I consider getting my own way to be more important than respecting the result’, which is the end of democracy.

Democracy does not require that everyone or even a majority be ‘pleased’ with the consequences of a result being implemented; it does require that results are implemented. If it’s ok for the state to veto a result as long as they can think of any tenuous excuse for doing so -which is never difficult- then, again, you have no democracy.

I have voted once, been on the winning side 100% of the time and seen the result implemented 0% of the time. Why would I consider that I have a meaningful vote or consider myself morally obliged to follow the laws which are stemming from a fake democracy and even from a foreign power against the express wishes of the British people?

4 years ago @ http://www.conservativ... - Local elections 1) Res... · 0 replies · +1 points

Is anywhere reporting results with vote numbers?

4 years ago @ http://www.conservativ... - Local elections 3) The... · 0 replies · +1 points

Remainers had someone to vote for. Leavers have been shown their vote is meaningless and so went back to not bothering.

Not that any of this really matters as far as our membership of the EU is concerned. The oligarchy will continue to do whatever it wants to do, which is remain. It has already been proven that the public’s decision on this matter counts for nothing.

The establishment is happy for the public to decide who arranges the bin collections - it is not wiling to allow the unlimited flow of almost-slave labour from the EU to be messed with.

4 years ago @ http://www.conservativ... - Local elections 3) The... · 4 replies · +1 points

Setting the precedent that it’s ok for the state to not implement results it doesn’t like is the undemocratic part. Dangerous to boot.

If the state has a ‘no, try again’ veto on democracy then you no longer have a democracy.

4 years ago @ http://www.conservativ... - The local election res... · 0 replies · +1 points

The disenfranchised that wanted to leave the EU, won the referendum and still got ignored simply went back to not voting. They suspected before the referendum that their vote was actually meaningless and the last three years have only confirmed it beyond doubt.

You can’t expect people to keep voting and believing in the democratic process once you’ve shown them so blatantly that they will be ignored even if they do take part and win.

4 years ago @ http://www.conservativ... - The local election res... · 0 replies · +1 points

The oligarchy took it upon themselves to overrule democracy when they didn’t get their own way. I don’t think there is any pretend democratic solution which is going to trick people into forgetting that British democracy was suspended as soon as the people made a decision the establishment couldn’t stomach.

The illusion is shattered now. I don’t think any amount of voting until the only acceptable answer is given is going to stitch the country back together again. We won’t leave the EU because the oligarchy will not allow it: whatever the British people think about it is really neither here nor there now that we have established that our democracy is not sacrosanct.

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