en-us https://www.intensedebate.com/users/253623 Comments by DanielSan http://bigjournalism.com/pjsalvatore/2011/09/06/video-sons-of-bitches-ask-david-brock-for-media-matters-tax-filings/#IDComment190684223 Or available free of charge from GuideStar.com. Wed, 7 Sep 2011 12:28:26 +0000 http://bigjournalism.com/pjsalvatore/2011/09/06/video-sons-of-bitches-ask-david-brock-for-media-matters-tax-filings/#IDComment190684223 http://www.komonews.com/news/local/98508449.html#IDComment87333523 Fine. If you want to lie about me and then lie about my positions, then I don't see the need to continue this. Sun, 18 Jul 2010 18:39:25 +0000 http://www.komonews.com/news/local/98508449.html#IDComment87333523 http://www.komonews.com/news/local/98508449.html#IDComment87329521 Fine. If you want to bastardize the definition into something else, even THEN, your definition doesn't meet what these people did because NO ONE can take simple "fortitude and talent" and turn it into a fortune without the help (read "fortitude and talent") of others. That's the point I'm trying to make here: No one is capable, in a free market system, of becoming rich and successful all by themselves. So, when people complain that the rich have to pay more taxes than the poor (something they currently DO NOT do; the redistribution of wealth is currently in full effect on the conservative side), they are simply complaining that the rich have to pay for what they use. No, none of these people are self-made (they did not, by themselves, plant an apple orchard with an apple seed, tend to the orchard all by themselves, sell the apples all by themselves, do all the accounting all by themselves, and make themselves a fortune from those seeds. No. They had the help of thousands, if not millions of people. So, don't give me this charade of the 'self-made millionaire'. They don't exist. Self-made men, according to Frederick Douglass and Benjamin Franklin are "the men who owe little or nothing to birth, relationship, friendly surroundings; to wealth inherited or to early approved means of education; who are what they are, without the aid of any of the favoring conditions by which other men usually rise in the world and achieve great results." Every one of those people listed in your citation had the aid of favoring conditions by which other men usually rise in the world and achieve great results. Sun, 18 Jul 2010 17:56:41 +0000 http://www.komonews.com/news/local/98508449.html#IDComment87329521 http://www.komonews.com/news/local/98508449.html#IDComment87322102 Sorry, but I can prove that none of these people made all their money all by themselves: You can't make money without help. None, and I do mean none, of these people would be where they are today without the help of thousands of programmers, testers, accounting staff, payroll staff, help desk staff, the EVIL GUBMINT, and millions of consumers. Sun, 18 Jul 2010 16:36:06 +0000 http://www.komonews.com/news/local/98508449.html#IDComment87322102 http://www.komonews.com/news/national/98534669.html#IDComment87247735 No dodge. Your questions are the same as mine. Liberals don't want the government to control industry. Sun, 18 Jul 2010 03:57:12 +0000 http://www.komonews.com/news/national/98534669.html#IDComment87247735 http://www.komonews.com/news/local/98508449.html#IDComment87237501 None of the people listed in your article are "self-made". Not a single one. Sun, 18 Jul 2010 03:01:52 +0000 http://www.komonews.com/news/local/98508449.html#IDComment87237501 http://www.komonews.com/news/national/98534669.html#IDComment87237289 Do you still beat your wife? Sun, 18 Jul 2010 03:00:33 +0000 http://www.komonews.com/news/national/98534669.html#IDComment87237289 http://www.komonews.com/news/national/98534669.html#IDComment87131856 What makes you think that liberals are communists? Sat, 17 Jul 2010 16:47:12 +0000 http://www.komonews.com/news/national/98534669.html#IDComment87131856 http://www.komonews.com/news/national/98534669.html#IDComment87125901 That poll is worded badly. If one was questioned about what liberals and conservatives actually believe in, the numbers would be reversed. Instead, after decades of stigmatizing the word "liberal", I'm actually surprised that those self-identifying as "liberal" would be so high. In fact, take the number of self-identifying "moderates" and add them to the number of self-identifying "liberals" for a more accurate view. I know a lot of hard-left leaning people that would be disgusted to find out that they were, in fact, "liberals". Sat, 17 Jul 2010 15:49:36 +0000 http://www.komonews.com/news/national/98534669.html#IDComment87125901 http://www.komonews.com/news/local/98508449.html#IDComment87125626 Simply coming from "rags" does not mean that you're "self-made". Sat, 17 Jul 2010 15:46:37 +0000 http://www.komonews.com/news/local/98508449.html#IDComment87125626 http://www.komonews.com/news/local/98508449.html#IDComment87125570 [citation needed] Sat, 17 Jul 2010 15:45:57 +0000 http://www.komonews.com/news/local/98508449.html#IDComment87125570 http://www.komonews.com/news/local/98508449.html#IDComment87124862 Most people don't become super-wealthy by working hard. They become super-wealthy through other means. And Paul Allen is no exception. But, kudos to Mr. Allen for doing something good with his money. "Drive, ambition, a willingness to take financial risk and a little bit of luck" can only get you so far. Sat, 17 Jul 2010 15:38:53 +0000 http://www.komonews.com/news/local/98508449.html#IDComment87124862 http://www.komonews.com/news/local/98508449.html#IDComment87124646 Actually, it's not class envy at all, but you've proven my point precisely: It's not the amount of work you do, it's WHAT work you actually do. Sat, 17 Jul 2010 15:36:31 +0000 http://www.komonews.com/news/local/98508449.html#IDComment87124646 http://www.komonews.com/news/local/98508449.html#IDComment87121815 Actually, I'm picking her to prove my point that says that simply having "a lot of money" does NOT necessarily mean you worked hard for it nor that working hard will irrevocably lead to "a lot of money". My grandfather worked hard for over 60 years as a hardwood floor layer until almost the day he died. He wasn't rich. Sat, 17 Jul 2010 15:08:20 +0000 http://www.komonews.com/news/local/98508449.html#IDComment87121815 http://www.komonews.com/news/local/98508449.html#IDComment87121639 You're not listening to me. I said that having a lot of money has nothing to do with how hard someone works. Sat, 17 Jul 2010 15:06:33 +0000 http://www.komonews.com/news/local/98508449.html#IDComment87121639 http://www.komonews.com/news/local/98508449.html#IDComment87119934 So.....Paris Hilton must work harder than your average dishwasher, waitress and hotel maid.... Sat, 17 Jul 2010 14:49:36 +0000 http://www.komonews.com/news/local/98508449.html#IDComment87119934 http://www.komonews.com/news/national/98534669.html#IDComment87076445 Yep, those are the lies that are handed to you by conservative talkers. Sat, 17 Jul 2010 06:33:00 +0000 http://www.komonews.com/news/national/98534669.html#IDComment87076445 http://www.komonews.com/news/national/98534669.html#IDComment87074428 Actually, the liberal thing is to do away with illegal immigration the easiest and most cost-effective way possible. I'm sure that you don't know that, though. You get your talking points and world-view handed to you by conservative talkers who lie to you about what being a liberal is. I guess I shouldn't be surprised.... Sat, 17 Jul 2010 06:10:40 +0000 http://www.komonews.com/news/national/98534669.html#IDComment87074428 http://www.komonews.com/news/national/98534669.html#IDComment87071421 I thought amnesty was a liberal thing.... Sat, 17 Jul 2010 05:38:33 +0000 http://www.komonews.com/news/national/98534669.html#IDComment87071421 http://www.komonews.com/news/local/98508449.html#IDComment87070704 This assumes that if you have a lot of money, you must be working a lot for it. This isn't always the case. See: Paris Hilton. Sat, 17 Jul 2010 05:28:48 +0000 http://www.komonews.com/news/local/98508449.html#IDComment87070704