en-us https://www.intensedebate.com/users/23321903 Comments by Cynicus https://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2020/12/no-deal-the-spectre-of-suez-or-the-power-of-patriotism.html#IDComment1095744449 Well said. Mon, 7 Dec 2020 16:14:03 +0000 https://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2020/12/no-deal-the-spectre-of-suez-or-the-power-of-patriotism.html#IDComment1095744449 https://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2020/12/no-deal-the-spectre-of-suez-or-the-power-of-patriotism.html#IDComment1095744397 And millions of others who don't fit into your categories.Forget them if you like, but they haven't been converted, nor will they be. Mon, 7 Dec 2020 16:11:53 +0000 https://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2020/12/no-deal-the-spectre-of-suez-or-the-power-of-patriotism.html#IDComment1095744397 https://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2020/12/no-deal-the-spectre-of-suez-or-the-power-of-patriotism.html#IDComment1095742434 Suez was about two fading powers imagining that it was 1856 not 1956.Delusions of grandeur die hard and painfully. Those infected try to cure themselves with bombast, cf 'Regain control' and 'Make America Great Again'. Mon, 7 Dec 2020 14:19:23 +0000 https://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2020/12/no-deal-the-spectre-of-suez-or-the-power-of-patriotism.html#IDComment1095742434 https://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2020/12/no-deal-the-spectre-of-suez-or-the-power-of-patriotism.html#IDComment1095742336 As in ''1984', a mantra extensive employed by a dictator to enforce uniformity of thought and suppress dissent. Eg Mussolini's ' Duce ha sempre ragione' [ 'the Leader is always right'] - 'No deal is a Good Deal' is in this genre. Mon, 7 Dec 2020 14:11:42 +0000 https://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2020/12/no-deal-the-spectre-of-suez-or-the-power-of-patriotism.html#IDComment1095742336 https://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2020/12/no-deal-the-spectre-of-suez-or-the-power-of-patriotism.html#IDComment1095739481 Your mindless slogan has an Orwellian ring to it. Mon, 7 Dec 2020 11:07:20 +0000 https://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2020/12/no-deal-the-spectre-of-suez-or-the-power-of-patriotism.html#IDComment1095739481 https://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2020/12/no-deal-the-spectre-of-suez-or-the-power-of-patriotism.html#IDComment1095739429 All governments are furtive: it is their nature. Mon, 7 Dec 2020 11:03:06 +0000 https://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2020/12/no-deal-the-spectre-of-suez-or-the-power-of-patriotism.html#IDComment1095739429 https://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2020/12/no-deal-the-spectre-of-suez-or-the-power-of-patriotism.html#IDComment1095739407 The benefits were self evident: when we joined we were the economic 'sick man' of Europe we were flourishing. There were quarrels but there are quarrels within any international cooperative.The fear element was strongest on the Brexit side - words like 'tyranny' were bandied about and the EU was likened to the Third Reich or the old Soviet Union to frighten the naive. Trivial matters such as the colour of passport covers were magnified to a ridiculous effect. Mon, 7 Dec 2020 11:02:06 +0000 https://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2020/12/no-deal-the-spectre-of-suez-or-the-power-of-patriotism.html#IDComment1095739407 https://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2020/12/no-deal-the-spectre-of-suez-or-the-power-of-patriotism.html#IDComment1095739065 So keep on whistling in the dark and if the deal flops you can always blame foreigners, the 'metropolitan elite', the EU, the BBC and perhaps even Soros. Mon, 7 Dec 2020 10:41:05 +0000 https://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2020/12/no-deal-the-spectre-of-suez-or-the-power-of-patriotism.html#IDComment1095739065 https://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2020/12/no-deal-the-spectre-of-suez-or-the-power-of-patriotism.html#IDComment1095739045 Thank you for your good wishes: sanity will be restored but it will take time and price rises and shortages may sap the will of the Brexit jihadis. Mon, 7 Dec 2020 10:39:24 +0000 https://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2020/12/no-deal-the-spectre-of-suez-or-the-power-of-patriotism.html#IDComment1095739045 https://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2020/12/no-deal-the-spectre-of-suez-or-the-power-of-patriotism.html#IDComment1095739000 Well said. Mon, 7 Dec 2020 10:36:27 +0000 https://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2020/12/no-deal-the-spectre-of-suez-or-the-power-of-patriotism.html#IDComment1095739000 https://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2020/12/no-deal-the-spectre-of-suez-or-the-power-of-patriotism.html#IDComment1095738987 The Democrats have won, but the more manic Republicans have yet to take this on board. Tuck into your spinach and wise up, as they would say. Mon, 7 Dec 2020 10:35:08 +0000 https://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2020/12/no-deal-the-spectre-of-suez-or-the-power-of-patriotism.html#IDComment1095738987 https://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2020/12/no-deal-the-spectre-of-suez-or-the-power-of-patriotism.html#IDComment1095738957 You have obviously have not read the 1351 Treaty, probably never heard of it. Read it and then tell us why the Remainers have broken a law about which you know nothing. But then ignorance has never impeded the Brexiteer. Mon, 7 Dec 2020 10:33:07 +0000 https://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2020/12/no-deal-the-spectre-of-suez-or-the-power-of-patriotism.html#IDComment1095738957 https://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2020/12/no-deal-the-spectre-of-suez-or-the-power-of-patriotism.html#IDComment1095738824 He won't, for there is none. Mon, 7 Dec 2020 10:25:48 +0000 https://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2020/12/no-deal-the-spectre-of-suez-or-the-power-of-patriotism.html#IDComment1095738824 https://www.conservativehome.com/video/2020/12/watch-will-labour-back-a-johnson-brexit-trade-deal-or-not-thomas-symonds-kicks-for-touch.html#IDComment1095722557 True, I am afraid. Sun, 6 Dec 2020 15:34:44 +0000 https://www.conservativehome.com/video/2020/12/watch-will-labour-back-a-johnson-brexit-trade-deal-or-not-thomas-symonds-kicks-for-touch.html#IDComment1095722557 https://www.conservativehome.com/video/2020/12/watch-eustice-the-eus-demands-on-fishing-are-not-consistent-with-international-law.html#IDComment1095722464 Sorry, but I fail to see your point. Does your figure of £6.6 billion refer to fishing in Britain or does it embrace chaps casting their nets in the waters off Fiji and Newfoundland ? Sun, 6 Dec 2020 15:28:25 +0000 https://www.conservativehome.com/video/2020/12/watch-eustice-the-eus-demands-on-fishing-are-not-consistent-with-international-law.html#IDComment1095722464 https://www.conservativehome.com/video/2020/12/watch-eustice-the-eus-demands-on-fishing-are-not-consistent-with-international-law.html#IDComment1095722428 What are the virtues of a geographical ignorance ? We live in times where the possession of knowledge of any kind is considered elitist by sick people who beat a path to their local surgery in the hope to be cured by doctors who understand such things. No doubt you are one. In terms of their historic roots, cricket and football are 'old fashioned'. Sun, 6 Dec 2020 15:24:33 +0000 https://www.conservativehome.com/video/2020/12/watch-eustice-the-eus-demands-on-fishing-are-not-consistent-with-international-law.html#IDComment1095722428 https://www.conservativehome.com/video/2020/12/watch-eustice-the-eus-demands-on-fishing-are-not-consistent-with-international-law.html#IDComment1095720872 It is no longer a matter of economic rationale, but one of misplaced sentimentality: the fisherman have become a heroic equivalent of Boadicea defying the foreign hordes. She lost. Sun, 6 Dec 2020 13:43:12 +0000 https://www.conservativehome.com/video/2020/12/watch-eustice-the-eus-demands-on-fishing-are-not-consistent-with-international-law.html#IDComment1095720872 https://www.conservativehome.com/video/2020/12/watch-eustice-the-eus-demands-on-fishing-are-not-consistent-with-international-law.html#IDComment1095720809 Yes, many times over. Sun, 6 Dec 2020 13:39:05 +0000 https://www.conservativehome.com/video/2020/12/watch-eustice-the-eus-demands-on-fishing-are-not-consistent-with-international-law.html#IDComment1095720809 https://www.conservativehome.com/video/2020/12/watch-eustice-the-eus-demands-on-fishing-are-not-consistent-with-international-law.html#IDComment1095720787 Very, very few. The result of the an indifferent educational system and the decline of stamp collecting among the young. Is that elitist ? Sun, 6 Dec 2020 13:37:09 +0000 https://www.conservativehome.com/video/2020/12/watch-eustice-the-eus-demands-on-fishing-are-not-consistent-with-international-law.html#IDComment1095720787 https://www.conservativehome.com/video/2020/12/watch-eustice-the-eus-demands-on-fishing-are-not-consistent-with-international-law.html#IDComment1095719049 The notion of deadlines was absurd, a device to appease the clamour of Brexiteers who knew nothing about diplomatic procedures. Sun, 6 Dec 2020 11:48:41 +0000 https://www.conservativehome.com/video/2020/12/watch-eustice-the-eus-demands-on-fishing-are-not-consistent-with-international-law.html#IDComment1095719049