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5 years ago @ http://www.conservativ... - David Shiels: By talki... · 0 replies · +1 points

Polls say we want EU membership over the UK.

There is your solution then.

English will never accept an open immigration border in Ireland

You clearly don't have a clue. There has been a Common Travel Area between the UK and Ireland since the 1920s - long before the EU. My wife's parents, along with hundreds of thousands of other Irish people came to England just after the war. I travelled to Ireland several times before I had a passport. Irish people in Britain have exactly the same rights as British people. That's always been the case. You're being fed BS.

Illegal Immigration is rarely dealt with at the border. The NI border exists NOW because the UK has different excises duties, VAT rates and currency - so smuggling is still an issue. It's dealt with by intelligence led investigations - by both UK and Irish customs.

The UK will not erect a border. If you've heard any different you've been badly informed. In evidence to the Brexit Select Committee, The CEO of HMRC stated

"WE DO NOT BELIEVE WE REQUIRE ANY INFRASTRUCTURE BETWEEN NORTHERN IRELAND AND IRELAND UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES.”

In early 2017, Niall Cody and Liam Irwin (Irish Customs) also said much the the same but that was before Leo replaced Enda Kenny and decided to try and make a name for himself.

5 years ago @ http://www.conservativ... - David Shiels: By talki... · 0 replies · +1 points

England is part of the UK. What is your point?

5 years ago @ http://www.conservativ... - David Shiels: By talki... · 0 replies · +1 points

Er ... we are being forced to jump through hoops just to ensure the EU (not the UK) won't implement a border. apparently we need to do this because of a possible resumption of the "troubles". If the EU wish to impose a border on Ireland then it will be up to the people in NI to decide what they wish to do about it.

The Good Friday Agreement makes no mention of the border. It simply provides the mechanisms for co-operation to exist between all relevant parties. The GFA is based on the Principle of Consent. In other words, it is up to the people to decide whether or not NI remains part of the UK. It is not a decision for the EU.

The UK should simply leave. If the EU want to erect a border then the people of NI should have a referendum to decide between continued membership of the UK or becoming part of a united Ireland (and hence the EU)

To put it in a nutshell: Do they want EU membership more than UK membership. Dead Simple.

5 years ago @ http://www.conservativ... - David Shiels: By talki... · 3 replies · +1 points

To be honest I'm getting a bit cheesed off with being held to ransom by the NI situation - and I speak as someone who has close relatives in Ireland. The rest of the UK can't keep tiptoeing around every major constitutional and policy decision in case it doesn't meet approval with any of the various communities in NI. Currently NI is part of the UK. If the terms of Brexit are unacceptable to the people of NI then the solution is in their. hands. The GFA provides the right to hold a referendum on continued UK membership.

It seems that the only group of people in the UK who don't have this right are those in England.

5 years ago @ http://www.conservativ... - Stewart Jackson: Don't... · 1 reply · +1 points

I'm not sure this works. The author of the above article, Stewart Jackson, was a Pro-Brexit MP for a constituency that voted 61% in favour of Brexit.

In the 2017 GE he lost his seat to a Labour novice. I don't trust the electorate to produce a result that actually reflects what they want. Incidentally, I think the loss of a majority in 2017 was the beginning of the end of Brexit. I said this at the time.

5 years ago @ http://www.conservativ... - WATCH: Freeman, who sw... · 0 replies · +1 points

1. UK EU contributions are not less than 1% of total government spending
2. The 'cost' of being in the Single Market is equivalent to a 6% tariff on UK exports to the EU.
3. UK GDP per capita growth in the 25 years leading up to the introduction of the EU single market in 1993 was 72%. In the 25 years since growth was 51%. To use the Treasury methodology and logic, the single market cost each person in the UK over £4000 in 2017.

5 years ago @ http://www.conservativ... - Mohammed Amin: If ther... · 1 reply · +1 points

Not sure which bits you disagree with - be more specific but before I dig around unnecessarily . Here are some video clips of Niall Cody (Senior Irish Customs Officer) giving evidence to the Irish Finance Committee in May 2017 (just about the time Enda Kenny stepped down and was replaced by Leo Varakar.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGIHFkBW-LM

I can get more detailed transcripts, Also video evidence of HMRC CEO who made it clear there would be no new infrastructure under any circumstances.

5 years ago @ http://www.conservativ... - Mohammed Amin: If ther... · 0 replies · +1 points

The WTO have already confirmed that there is no need for a hard border.

The WTO couldn't care less what border is operated between any part of the UK and Ireland. In fact if either the EU or the UK were to starting checking goods on March 30th then it's possible an appeal to the WTO could made by whichever side had been subject to the checks.

The ignorance on this issue is staggering.

5 years ago @ http://www.conservativ... - Mohammed Amin: If ther... · 3 replies · +1 points

Unfortunately, in his article Tony Connelly omits the period during which both Irish Customs and HMRC investigated the issues with the NI border and both reached the same conclusion, i.e there would be no need for any new infrastructure at the border. Connelly also neglects to inform his readers that following Enda Kenny's resignation, the new Taoiseach Leo Varadkar instructed Irish Customs to stop any work on Brexit. This was the time when the EU and Ireland cooked up the trap for our idiot PM.

You may consider yourself enlightened but, trust me, you're not.

5 years ago @ http://www.conservativ... - May says Brexit may be... · 0 replies · +1 points

Would Conservative MPs opposed to no deal be prepared to back Labour in a no confidence vote, turn their own party out of Downing Street and risk putting Jeremy Corbyn in?

Yep - I think enough would - particularly those like Ken Clarke who must be think about retirement anyway. A last chance to thwart Brexit would no doubt appeal to him.

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