en-us https://www.intensedebate.com/users/3424413 Comments by Beewildered http://www.proprint.com.au/News/278266,geon-and-fuji-xerox-fundraise-for-ms-gong-ride.aspx#IDComment215535478 You guys need to get a life! Good on you teams Geon and FX! Don't let the minority impact on your positive initiative. Some of you guys need to get a life! Tue, 1 Nov 2011 23:58:02 +0000 http://www.proprint.com.au/News/278266,geon-and-fuji-xerox-fundraise-for-ms-gong-ride.aspx#IDComment215535478 http://www.proprint.com.au/News/272216,chris-mitchell-resigns-from-blue-star.aspx#IDComment199626783 Why, IW, do you insist I am a BS mouthpiece? Any impartial advice you deem as supportive, I dont get it. Go find your little box of pills and start running around in circles again.... Tue, 27 Sep 2011 05:41:01 +0000 http://www.proprint.com.au/News/272216,chris-mitchell-resigns-from-blue-star.aspx#IDComment199626783 http://www.proprint.com.au/News/268542,blue-stars-earnings-fall-8-in-fullyear-results.aspx#IDComment189827561 No anti-competitive discussions I hope IW... I always get nervous when company executives and owners come together and talk shop..... Mon, 5 Sep 2011 00:47:57 +0000 http://www.proprint.com.au/News/268542,blue-stars-earnings-fall-8-in-fullyear-results.aspx#IDComment189827561 http://www.proprint.com.au/News/267890,qld-printer-to-change-hands-but-suppliers-face-21m-hit-from-administration.aspx#IDComment188628484 Not sure of the details of the case, but Directors have an obligation to all Creditors - and this is where it becomes a fine line. As a Director you MUST undertake all endeavours to protect all creditors interests - so a Director cant just shut up shop and re-open next day under new management unless the business is well and truly screwed. The issue is when a business gets in trouble they will have accountants (and secured Creditors) advising them and pressuring them. Nobody likes to fail, so many people see a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow, and this is where the hole gets bigger and bigger. Basically our emotions get caught up and the pot of gold seems closer, bigger and guaranteed. Very rare for a company just to go belly up - this will have been happening over months, even years....until eventually all implodes. It is a nasty situation for all involved - and in all situations things could be done better. Hindsight is a wonderful thing. I do believe most (and I stress MOST) people have good intentions, and this often leads to us having an even bigger negative impact when it all turns to mud. I have no idea of this company, nor the owner, but I do know others that have been through similar and it was never their intention to hurt those around them, but it all just became too big and uncontrollable...the pot of gold just never eventuated. Thu, 1 Sep 2011 06:38:40 +0000 http://www.proprint.com.au/News/267890,qld-printer-to-change-hands-but-suppliers-face-21m-hit-from-administration.aspx#IDComment188628484 http://www.proprint.com.au/News/268665,supply-one-enters-liquidation-with-135m-of-unsecured-debt.aspx#IDComment188406087 IW I applaud you - finally you can make a positive contribution rather than your normal cynical and caustic contribution. Seriously good comment mate - I am impressed! Wed, 31 Aug 2011 12:07:43 +0000 http://www.proprint.com.au/News/268665,supply-one-enters-liquidation-with-135m-of-unsecured-debt.aspx#IDComment188406087 http://www.proprint.com.au/News/267890,qld-printer-to-change-hands-but-suppliers-face-21m-hit-from-administration.aspx#IDComment186304661 Agreed - almost never happens - unless it generates enough public interest - eg Skase and Bond. Thu, 25 Aug 2011 00:48:44 +0000 http://www.proprint.com.au/News/267890,qld-printer-to-change-hands-but-suppliers-face-21m-hit-from-administration.aspx#IDComment186304661 http://www.proprint.com.au/News/267890,qld-printer-to-change-hands-but-suppliers-face-21m-hit-from-administration.aspx#IDComment186035525 They can do something about it. If Directors are found to be knowingly trading whilst the business is "insolvent", or even if they show preferential treatment to creditors whilst trading in a very poor state then the directors can face serious consequences - including heavy personal fines and gaol time. The Administrator will provide a report post the "process" and from their recommendation further steps can be taken. In reality though, it rarely happens - which is disappointing because if real consequences were realised cowboy owners and directors would "pull their head in" On this, I am not saying that the Directors above have done any wrong, I have no idea what has happened. Wed, 24 Aug 2011 05:53:53 +0000 http://www.proprint.com.au/News/267890,qld-printer-to-change-hands-but-suppliers-face-21m-hit-from-administration.aspx#IDComment186035525 http://www.proprint.com.au/News/267399,franklin-web-launches-80pp-manroland-lithoman.aspx#IDComment184504658 Nice post FF! Great to see some positive comments on this site. Fri, 19 Aug 2011 06:27:21 +0000 http://www.proprint.com.au/News/267399,franklin-web-launches-80pp-manroland-lithoman.aspx#IDComment184504658 http://www.proprint.com.au/News/266385,blue-star-bondholders-approve-deal.aspx#IDComment183210072 Found this as a closing comment from an independent industry publication (quote) "It comes as Blue Star is bedding in the first HP T350 high-speed inkjet at Silverwater, a game-changing technology that plays an essential role in Blue Star’s Agile restructure. " Now I see why you guys with 1000 years industry experience are scared - if this technology is a game-changer, then exciting times ahead.... Be interesting to see how the next 6-12 months go, and no wonder BS are driving cold-calling....this could be money for Jam if they have this right! Mon, 15 Aug 2011 09:10:33 +0000 http://www.proprint.com.au/News/266385,blue-star-bondholders-approve-deal.aspx#IDComment183210072 http://www.proprint.com.au/News/266385,blue-star-bondholders-approve-deal.aspx#IDComment183197471 My understanding (and I have no Printing experience), but even 5 years experience is meaningless if you dont evolve with the market trends! This is why so many companies die off. Back in the early 90's a company almost went bust due to its instance not to evolve.....but due to a radical externally focused reassessment (understanding the market) the company is now one of the global leaders...that company is Apple. The last 10 years have seen quantum leaps in technology - yet the print industry gurus are raving about 100 years industry experience! watchandlearn have you noticed how many the most successful companies in the world have CEOs in the mid 20s - companies like Facebook..... Bill Gates himself did not have 30 years experience when he founded Microsoft.... 100 years experience is only of value if the people have adapted.... $3 million worth of customers - I hope you secure them....being a betting man I bet you get less than 25% of it...... But you can preach to all cos we will never know...the only thing we can guarantee is that you are a going to throw stones at any company other than your own..... And that your opinion really counts for little - as it is just that, your opinion... Mon, 15 Aug 2011 07:54:31 +0000 http://www.proprint.com.au/News/266385,blue-star-bondholders-approve-deal.aspx#IDComment183197471 http://www.proprint.com.au/News/266385,blue-star-bondholders-approve-deal.aspx#IDComment183196164 Why the insistence that if someone is impartial and not negative that they are a BS employee? Again IndustryWatcher - before citing "facts" ensure they are correct. Enough said....... Mon, 15 Aug 2011 07:46:30 +0000 http://www.proprint.com.au/News/266385,blue-star-bondholders-approve-deal.aspx#IDComment183196164 http://www.proprint.com.au/News/266385,blue-star-bondholders-approve-deal.aspx#IDComment182954025 IndustryWatcher - a favour....Can you point me to a single forum where you have expressed your opinion on a significant issue and been correct? That would help us, as a group, validate future posts. Sun, 14 Aug 2011 08:46:59 +0000 http://www.proprint.com.au/News/266385,blue-star-bondholders-approve-deal.aspx#IDComment182954025 http://www.proprint.com.au/News/266385,blue-star-bondholders-approve-deal.aspx#IDComment181776395 Come on urjoking - we know that IW and McFee are the industry psychics...they have returned to their ouija boards and goat entrails to read further into the future........ I think their psychic abilities might match their corporate knowledge - they can talk it up but don't really understand what they are rambling on about. Maybe instead of bagging companies, getting themselves all excited and worked up, maybe they should go and actually try and learn what they are talking about. Seriously, can we find one forum where they have actually been correct? Yet people jump on their little band wagon like rats following the Pied Piper...... Soothsayers - try and get yourselves some credibility back and stay low for a while .... your prediction accuracy is appalling.... Wed, 10 Aug 2011 04:30:41 +0000 http://www.proprint.com.au/News/266385,blue-star-bondholders-approve-deal.aspx#IDComment181776395 http://www.proprint.com.au/News/266385,blue-star-bondholders-approve-deal.aspx#IDComment181762708 Wow - ProPrint leads with narrow margin, Print21 with "Solid vote in favour of the proposal clears the decks for the company to continue to operate as one of the largest printing enterprises in the region." What a different perspective from the two leading industry watchdogs...... Wed, 10 Aug 2011 03:14:02 +0000 http://www.proprint.com.au/News/266385,blue-star-bondholders-approve-deal.aspx#IDComment181762708 http://www.proprint.com.au/News/265947,blue-star-yields-to-bondholders-by-tweaking-restructure-deal.aspx#IDComment181759805 It is like a ghost town.....tumble weeds blowing around.....where has everyone gone? Oh maybe back to mixing water and goat entrails into a bowl to conduct some more sooth saying! Amazing - all these doomsday opinions, from so called experts.... No wonder the industry is struggling, industry leaders and gurus shooting rockets left right and centre, professing to all.....but almost all the experts got it wrong...... Watch out next print company to make ProPrint headlines, the wolves are probably already at your door.....Luckily they are old, and have lost most of their teeth... Wed, 10 Aug 2011 03:04:18 +0000 http://www.proprint.com.au/News/265947,blue-star-yields-to-bondholders-by-tweaking-restructure-deal.aspx#IDComment181759805 http://www.proprint.com.au/News/265947,blue-star-yields-to-bondholders-by-tweaking-restructure-deal.aspx#IDComment181744181 Is that right slingsandarrows....I think you can get ready to board another train of caustic rhetoric! My word is it got through....I guess we will soon find out! I am sure you can find some other negative campaign to push...who is next on your radar? Focus, Geon.....? I wonder if BS staff that undermined along the way will pull their head in or keep dumping in their nest? Wed, 10 Aug 2011 02:16:10 +0000 http://www.proprint.com.au/News/265947,blue-star-yields-to-bondholders-by-tweaking-restructure-deal.aspx#IDComment181744181 http://www.proprint.com.au/News/264966,blue-star-stresses-receivership-is-likely-outcome-if-bondholders-block-restructure.aspx#IDComment181707829 Only when it delivers a negative slant in my opinion. Show me one link on ProPrint that delivers a positive, or unbiased information.... Most are filled self fulfilling doomsday rhetoric...a bit like the stuff we find here..... This is reflected in the fact that only the editorial "masterpieces" that deliver potentially negative information generate forum frenzy...like vultures...It makes good news, right? Wed, 10 Aug 2011 00:08:06 +0000 http://www.proprint.com.au/News/264966,blue-star-stresses-receivership-is-likely-outcome-if-bondholders-block-restructure.aspx#IDComment181707829 http://www.proprint.com.au/News/264966,blue-star-stresses-receivership-is-likely-outcome-if-bondholders-block-restructure.aspx#IDComment181686535 Is it all BS employees? That is a big call... I see a lot of caustic debate between people who are maintaining anonymity. They could be employees or other people with vested interest in the industry. My view is there are a lot of people proposing to have psychic ability....maybe some just need to up their lithium? We will soon find out where this all ends, from all I read many want BS gone, I don't think they will be so fortunate..... I believe BS will push through this, and as an industry many are concerned with what they are bringing to the market.... I guess now I get slated by all for saying something "positive" about BS.....People only get thumbs up on this site if they take large dumps on all and sundry, be it BS, Geon, companies winning overseas awards.....the list goes on... Tue, 9 Aug 2011 22:20:26 +0000 http://www.proprint.com.au/News/264966,blue-star-stresses-receivership-is-likely-outcome-if-bondholders-block-restructure.aspx#IDComment181686535 http://www.proprint.com.au/News/264966,blue-star-stresses-receivership-is-likely-outcome-if-bondholders-block-restructure.aspx#IDComment179584183 erm....quote "A meeting today to tell us that apparently these stories are all lies ! And weather or not they are. we have very minimal staff in our bindary, sales team dropping like flies...." I think this clearly indicates you are working at BS (or at least left recently) Wed, 3 Aug 2011 02:58:27 +0000 http://www.proprint.com.au/News/264966,blue-star-stresses-receivership-is-likely-outcome-if-bondholders-block-restructure.aspx#IDComment179584183 http://www.proprint.com.au/News/264966,blue-star-stresses-receivership-is-likely-outcome-if-bondholders-block-restructure.aspx#IDComment178251574 Not an issue. I am not sure how it has come to me defending BS. My comments are more about employees and companies (so a bit broader I would like to think). All I know is that I have been part of an organisation I didnt like before and I left when it was as bad as 69 says. I dont see any benefit or credibility in taking a dump on the ones who pay your mortgage is all...all the comments do is justify opinions outside the company and can only cause more harm, making the company move to an even worse position than it might already be in. Fri, 29 Jul 2011 05:53:57 +0000 http://www.proprint.com.au/News/264966,blue-star-stresses-receivership-is-likely-outcome-if-bondholders-block-restructure.aspx#IDComment178251574