en-us https://www.intensedebate.com/users/719829 Comments by Agent_Chameleon http://thebritishresistance.co.uk/guest-writers/1919-ethnopluralism-an-alternative-to-nationalism#IDComment369801086 I'm an American, so I'm not going to tell Britons what system of ideas they should go with. However, I think the idea of ethnopluralism is the most viable for the US. However, I would still prefer totally sovereign ethnostates, which is why I still consider myself an ethnonationalist. More importantly, I do not believe that nationalism and ethnopluralism are mutually exclusive. You can have a nationalist identity that isn't rooted in a formal state with borders, but simply a nation rooted in blood. And to be fair, the BNP didn't collapse due to its ethnonationist policies. I followed the party very closely during its heyday in 2009-2010. Ethnonationalism was helping the party grow. Many people seemed to enjoy the speeches by Arthur Kemp and Jonathon Bowden. What killed the party was Nick Griffin's dishonest and corruption. Pure and simple. Although I do agree that in the long run, ethnonationalism will not be politically viable when the native British become a minority in their own lands due to low native birthrates and high immigration birth rates. Tue, 29 May 2012 21:37:52 +0000 http://thebritishresistance.co.uk/guest-writers/1919-ethnopluralism-an-alternative-to-nationalism#IDComment369801086 http://thebritishresistance.co.uk/writers/the-editor27/1843-losing-things-of-value#IDComment347819280 Zionist or not, Paul Weston does have some really good articles on Gates of Vienna that do not shy away from racial/ethnic issues. Needless to say, I think Paul and you guys are on the same page when it comes to who's really British. And that does contradict the official message of the BFP, but then again, they are trying to win votes, and they are convinced that ethnonationalism is a deterrent to winning elections. I remember when Lee John Barnes first posted that idea on his blog. Of course they could be right, but I would counter that ethnonationalism has the chance towards being respectable if they remain consistent on who's really ethnically English/Irish/Welsh/Scottish and don't back down when the issue of gurkhas or patriotic minorities are brought up. Having a record clear of Holocaust Denial and Nazism also helps, which is why I think Britain First has a reasonable shot at taking up the ethnonationalist banner that Nick Griffin tossed away. Wed, 25 Apr 2012 17:12:15 +0000 http://thebritishresistance.co.uk/writers/the-editor27/1843-losing-things-of-value#IDComment347819280 http://thebritishresistance.co.uk/the-editor/1508-good-luck-to-ron-paul-the-worlds-last-hope#IDComment253338440 I live in Iowa and it feel likes this race is about more than Ron Paul and libertarianism, it's about white America's last stand. The fact that Iowa is being demonized over being one of the last of the predominantly white American states is rather telling. At any rate, I'll do my part to help Ron tomorrow, even if I don't want to sit down and listen to people speak and argue over party platforms. It's only fair, after sitting in the sidelines and watching you guys work towards getting the BNP elected for the last 2 years. Tue, 3 Jan 2012 01:53:49 +0000 http://thebritishresistance.co.uk/the-editor/1508-good-luck-to-ron-paul-the-worlds-last-hope#IDComment253338440 http://thebritishresistance.co.uk/guest-writers/1474-the-feltham-heston-by-election#IDComment239354287 God bless you, Mr Dowson. :) Fri, 16 Dec 2011 18:29:21 +0000 http://thebritishresistance.co.uk/guest-writers/1474-the-feltham-heston-by-election#IDComment239354287 http://thebritishresistance.co.uk/guest-writers/1474-the-feltham-heston-by-election#IDComment239353405 Bravo for coming to this conclusion, Britain First. I hope this fine organization goes beyond political activism (which is a commendable activity of course), and engages in community building; ie bringing the native British people closer together. Rallying around Emma West was the first brave step in that direction. I also think it would be a good idea for Britain First to have cultural activities to help build up British pride and identity. Fri, 16 Dec 2011 18:28:04 +0000 http://thebritishresistance.co.uk/guest-writers/1474-the-feltham-heston-by-election#IDComment239353405 http://thebritishresistance.co.uk/nationalistnews/britain-first/1436-nationalists-vow-direct-action-over-the-emma-west-incarceration#IDComment230543964 Like Steven, I can only be there in spirit. But I wish you guys the best of luck in standing up for your kinswoman. If there's any shred of dignity left in the British people, they will wake up and rebel against terrible injustice. Wed, 30 Nov 2011 22:23:50 +0000 http://thebritishresistance.co.uk/nationalistnews/britain-first/1436-nationalists-vow-direct-action-over-the-emma-west-incarceration#IDComment230543964 http://thebritishresistance.co.uk/the-editor/1176-david-duke-to-stand-for-presidency-in-2012#IDComment182900301 David Duke isn't legally allowed to run for president because of his guilty plea for tax evasion. In the US that automatically disqualifies you. Sun, 14 Aug 2011 02:52:44 +0000 http://thebritishresistance.co.uk/the-editor/1176-david-duke-to-stand-for-presidency-in-2012#IDComment182900301 http://thebritishresistance.co.uk/the-editor/1173-the-who-wont-get-fooled-again#IDComment182652927 Roger could certainly enter politics, but imagine what good he could for his people by using his music to promote nationalism? Sat, 13 Aug 2011 03:26:12 +0000 http://thebritishresistance.co.uk/the-editor/1173-the-who-wont-get-fooled-again#IDComment182652927 http://thebritishresistance.co.uk/pp-news/1161-a-statement-by-the-freedom-democrats#IDComment181907701 Green Arrow is right about there being only one true definition of nationalism. If one studies the root of nation, it comes from Latin, meaning "that which is born". The very term has an ethnic/racial connotation, and thus ethnonationalism is technically a tautology. Unfortunately, I feel the usage of term is necessary, because the very concept of nation has been rewritten in the West to mean a physical State, rather than an organic community/tribe with shared blood memory. Whilst allowing civic and cultural nationalists to hijack the very meaning of nationalism is a victory for them, at the same time, we as a people have allowed the misuse of term nation to go on for a decades. Having to call ourselves ethnonationalist is the only way we can be clear that we represent true historic nationalism. Wed, 10 Aug 2011 15:21:43 +0000 http://thebritishresistance.co.uk/pp-news/1161-a-statement-by-the-freedom-democrats#IDComment181907701 http://thebritishresistance.co.uk/the-editor/1159-you-aint-seen-nothing-yet#IDComment181541362 What are the British waiting for? Form ethnic communities of your own to resist this onslaught. Whites are nothing more than cattle when they are isolated, easy pickings. United, they can form a mighty buffalo herd, able to drive off any attacking predators. Tue, 9 Aug 2011 14:08:41 +0000 http://thebritishresistance.co.uk/the-editor/1159-you-aint-seen-nothing-yet#IDComment181541362 http://thebritishresistance.co.uk/pp-news/1154-british-freedom-partys-response-to-the-culture-question#IDComment181059179 The threat of miscegenation is one reason why I feel that cultural nationalism is dangerous, because when you say ethnic groups exist, and yet they have the same culture, you end up bringing down the distinctiveness of said ethnic groups, opening the door to miscegenation. After all, if our cultures are the same, then how can we be truly different, and then we must ask what's wrong with mass mixing? We must maintain the distinctiveness of our ethnicities by upholding our cultures as ours and ours alone. If other peoples want to borrow ideas or customs, then that's fine, but that doesn't mean that they have our culture. Mon, 8 Aug 2011 03:02:03 +0000 http://thebritishresistance.co.uk/pp-news/1154-british-freedom-partys-response-to-the-culture-question#IDComment181059179 http://thebritishresistance.co.uk/pp-news/1154-british-freedom-partys-response-to-the-culture-question#IDComment181055259 "But, this is precisely the state of Marxist Liberal political thinking and strategy at the moment and has been so for at least the past thirty years. Can you not see that this is what is causing our present considerably troubling situation? It's called multiculturalism which has just recently been denounced by some European government including the current UK Prime minister. Common sense should indicate to those even of average intelligence that it is not possible to permanently retain one's territory, heritage, culture, language and belief system if there are myriad alien races and their respective cultures/belief systems amassed within one's indigenous living space(s). I am sure it is not necessary for me to cite the various reasons as to why it is indeed impossible with just two examples being human competitiveness and the question of combined multiracial population proliferation causing the out-numbering of the single individual homogenous indigenous ethnicities. Well! " I'm not a fan of multiculturalism, but were I to choose between multiculturalism and integration, I'd pick multiculturalism any day. I'd much rather maintain distinction between the races and ethnic groups than see David Cameron, Geert Wilders, or your typical hack Republican over here in the States try to melt everyone together into a new "Western" propositional identity. " Are you seriously suggesting that the four indigenous British nations each be expected to breed at the combined rate of every alien ethnicity amassed upon their indigenous territories in a race to retain their own respective British homelands? It would be utterly impossible and I rather suspect you know that fine well - hence your attempts at trying to hoodwink and belittle the intelligence of the indigenous peoples of the UK. " It's not likely to happen, but it's really the only weapon they have when they are forced to live in a multiracial society. Whoever has the most babies determines who's in control, for the most part. But with white birth rates being as bad as they are, native British don't have much time left to mobilize and get enough momentum in politics and start a repatriation program. Hence why I feel nationalists need to readjust their tactics from focusing on politics to focusing on community and building a new sense of tribalism amongst the indigenous, so that when they do become a minority, they will be able to unite and form a shield wall, securing a future for their people. Do you have any other questions? Mon, 8 Aug 2011 02:39:50 +0000 http://thebritishresistance.co.uk/pp-news/1154-british-freedom-partys-response-to-the-culture-question#IDComment181055259 http://thebritishresistance.co.uk/pp-news/1154-british-freedom-partys-response-to-the-culture-question#IDComment181055234 "Be gone with you! " I'm Back! :D "The bestowing of civic British citizenship upon a non-Briton does NOT demote the term 'British' itself to civic status. It's, in fact, the citizenship aspect that's civic not the territorial reality, in this case, Britain. Britain is a territorial classification within which are contained nations, ie, England, Ireland (North), Scotland and Wales. Thecollective territorial references to the four distinct indigenous nationalities and their respective cultures, are called Britain and British. White people living on the African continent are often categorised as being African albeit White African, but there's no such native-occurring ethnicity. The White 'African' reference pertains to civic citizenship not actual ethnicity." Most people do not think of British having separate civic and ethnic meanings. Unlike in Russia where they have different terms for true ethnic Russians and citizens of the Russian Federation. So I do feel that leaving British open as a civic identity in the long run weakens the very true meaning of the word, much like how "American" once meant white American, but now because of decades of rewiring, people have a much more broad concept of what American means. " If it's 'morally problematic and unfeasable' to seek the repatriation of existing alien inhabitants whose presence along with their ongoing population proliferation apparently can't be stemmed or reversed according to you, I would then ask, why are we bothering to fight to recapture our ancestral homelands and way of life which is at present dangerously under threat, at all. Well! Would it not thus be correct to say that unless we take the necessary steps including the option of repatriation, we are going to be entirely outnumbered in a matter of a few decades which is destined to render our current efforts and hard work already pointless? Well! " For me, this isn't a fight about land. This is a fight for the existence of people, an ethnic group, a true nation. A true nation is based on blood ties, community, and shared culture. Political borders and passports are irrelevant. And while I would love to see Britain belong solely to the indigenous people, I don't think such an outcome is likely to happen. Consider how the indigenous are rapidly declining in numbers, they won't be in any position to be deciding who stays and who goes. I think the indigenous need to accept the fact that repatriation is not likely to happen, and instead focus on preserving their own numbers through promoting indigenous community, ethnic pride, and hopefully raising the birth rate to, at the very least, a stable level. "But, my dear, one cannot separate the two. Britain IS the United Kingdom and the United Kingdom IS Britain. England, Ireland, (North), Scotland and Wales are the four nations comprising Britain which, in turn, is the United Kingdom. You cannot, therefore, designate the United Kingdom as a multiracial zone without affecting the status of Britain and its four nations, ie, England, Ireland, (North), Scotland and Wales. Please try and rationalize more accurately before committing your views to print in future. " I am an ethnonationalist (some people here know that already), and as I've already said, a true nation is a people with a shared heritage and culture. Political borders change continually, sometimes ethnic groups don't have physical countries of their own. It sucks when that happens, but sometimes you have a lousy deck to work with. If you truly feel the United Kingdom and the ethnic nations of England, Scotland, Wales, and Ireland are one and the same, then so be it. All I can say that I'm an American white ethnonationalist, and I have no love for the United States and would love to see this wicked empire collapse. How can I say that when I'm a white American? Because the United States is nothing more than a government that rules over a territory. That is not what matters to me. My people are what matters to me, and we may very well be without a physical country to call ours. But so be it. I'd rather fight for our preservation then see us get absorbed into a new "melting pot" American identity. Mon, 8 Aug 2011 02:39:39 +0000 http://thebritishresistance.co.uk/pp-news/1154-british-freedom-partys-response-to-the-culture-question#IDComment181055234 http://thebritishresistance.co.uk/pp-news/1154-british-freedom-partys-response-to-the-culture-question#IDComment180977331 I think it''s unwise to declare British to be a civic term when in fact the use of the term Briton goes back for millenia. I agree with Green Arrow that it's a term that belongs to the 4 main ethnic groups of the British Isles, much like how Slav belongs to Russians, Poles, Serbs, etc. I'm not opposed to the British Freedom Party's strategy in general; it's true that deportation of non-indigenous is both morally problematic and unfeasible. Adopting rhetoric that isn't necessarily anti-immigrant or anti-minority is a wise path to follow. But I don't think that the way to do that is to give up the British identity to the foreigners. Perhaps a new term can be invented that can include "patriotic minorities". United Kingdomite? I know that sounds silly, but the United Kingdom is the formal name of the country, and it's a political entity without any ethnic connotation. Making the idea of the United Kingdom a multiracial concept is better than making Britain a multiracial identity. I also don't like this idea that somehow the culture of an ethnic group must be extended to others. I say keep the culture of the indigenous for the indigenous, and allow foreign groups to keep their culture, so long as they remain loyal to the political entity known as the United Kingdom. This is assuming that the indigenous can somehow maintain the same birthrate as immigrant communities. If not, then the indigenous will be in no position to be telling anyone how to behave. If that happens, then the indigenous may very well get a taste of Islamic "cultural nationalism". Sun, 7 Aug 2011 19:18:42 +0000 http://thebritishresistance.co.uk/pp-news/1154-british-freedom-partys-response-to-the-culture-question#IDComment180977331 http://thebritishresistance.co.uk/pp-news/1152-the-british-freedom-party-promoting-cultural-nationalism#IDComment180762636 How is the British Freedom going to ensure that minorities will forever remain minorities and that the indigenous will remain the majority? How are they going to fix indigenous birth rate? Sat, 6 Aug 2011 22:50:41 +0000 http://thebritishresistance.co.uk/pp-news/1152-the-british-freedom-party-promoting-cultural-nationalism#IDComment180762636 http://thebritishresistance.co.uk/the-editor/1119-not-another-caption-competion#IDComment177759766 I also think that British Nationalists, whilst continuing to support Brons, should also understand that politics isn't the only path to success, and focus on British community building, establishing ties between kinsfolk, and promoting awareness of the rich British heritage to children. I remember way back on the Green Arrow forum, a commentator (whom I don't remember unfortunately) told me something very profound: "Nationalism starts with a simple handshake." Wed, 27 Jul 2011 14:12:19 +0000 http://thebritishresistance.co.uk/the-editor/1119-not-another-caption-competion#IDComment177759766 http://thebritishresistance.co.uk/the-editor/1119-not-another-caption-competion#IDComment177759286 I think continuing to support the BNP ideas site would be a good idea. That project may lay the groundwork for a real revival of the BNP. At any rate, I think at this stage in the game, secession is mandatory. Nationalism will go nowhere under crooks, and if Nick will not step down, then there's no choice but to regroup and rally. Andrew Brons should write a British Nationalist Declaration of Independence against the Griffin cartel. ;) Wed, 27 Jul 2011 14:10:01 +0000 http://thebritishresistance.co.uk/the-editor/1119-not-another-caption-competion#IDComment177759286 http://thebritishresistance.co.uk/the-editor/1059-the-queens-colours#IDComment169238923 If the Queen were to be deposed, would you support the coronation of Prince William? Or would you say good riddance to the entire "Windsor" family and perhaps find a legitimate English noble to rule instead? Or do away with monarchy altogether? Sun, 3 Jul 2011 08:07:52 +0000 http://thebritishresistance.co.uk/the-editor/1059-the-queens-colours#IDComment169238923 http://thebritishresistance.co.uk/thepilgrim/1037-happy-birthday-lynx-and-lamb#IDComment167337327 I'm with NZ_BNP. Mon, 27 Jun 2011 22:55:18 +0000 http://thebritishresistance.co.uk/thepilgrim/1037-happy-birthday-lynx-and-lamb#IDComment167337327 http://thebritishresistance.co.uk/thepilgrim/1037-happy-birthday-lynx-and-lamb#IDComment167000516 I'm sorry to hear about the latest disturbing turn of events. My prayers are with British nationalists in these trying times. Mon, 27 Jun 2011 02:37:13 +0000 http://thebritishresistance.co.uk/thepilgrim/1037-happy-birthday-lynx-and-lamb#IDComment167000516