Dave... quick question for you.... just read a post from CWT saying he was moving and was disconnecting and he'd see us all again when he gets settled and can get on the other site. as someone who doesn't come on here on a daily basis, what other site?

i have gotten the exact same thing several times and all they do is change the picture and who said it. i've gotten it from bill cosby, bill engval, foxworthy, robin williams... nice message but not quotable, however... no way to know that if you hadn't gotten it supposedly from numerous other people as well.

there is going to be no congressional outrage. they are all just as guilty. as many times as he's taken it upon himself... they should have impeached him months ago... regardless of whether it gets through the senate or not... the house still should have. but they won't because to do that too much of their own culpability will come out. that and they're afraid then they'd be called names by the msm.

well that leaves us in a quandary then... cuz if cain wins the gop primary then we have a choice of cain, oblahblah, or striking out on our own and voting on our principles... which i have no problem with but i know many do.

only problem with that is you want to be careful and look up each states laws. i know here in WA state... if i try to detain you by holding you in place... they can arrest me and charge me with kidnapping you. so here in wa you just might get the cops to call immigration who then lets them go, but are they going to be as lenient with you when it comes your turn in court??
sad example... my cousin. him and a friend went drinking one night and got in an argument with another drunk. they left... went home. the other drunk followed them home and just walked in their house to continue the argument. my cousin held the guys arms, his friend beat the crap outta the guy. cops got there. arrested all 3. the guy got 6 months probation for breaking and entering. my cousins friend got 2 yrs ... most of it suspended... for battery... and my cousin got 10 yrs for kidnapping. true story... so if you're gonna try citizen arrest... make sure you ain't setting yourself up to have an ugly bf in your cell.

you forgot one very important step in that whole process.... prepare... as in network... lets face it... stocking up on guns n ammo is of no use or value if when the time comes you just let them come in and take them away from you. you need to get yourself prepared and in the frame of mind where when they come you don't mind shooting. and you need to network so once the shooting starts you can band together for protection so they can't just come and pick each of you off individually.

i have not read the article yet... i know so i should keep my mouth/fingers silent... but... one thought that occurs to me... at a time when more and more dems are suggesting someone should run against oblahblah... who's the natural candidate everyone would think of? hillary... and wow... look at this... out of nowhere they're able to produce "documents" showing hillary was the mastermind behind this.... not oblahblah... and not just involved... oh no... she was the mastermind... the one who thought it all up... how convenient for oblahblah... gets him off the hook for the guns scandal and gets hillary off his back in their primary... looks like he's a double winner don't it?
what really galls me about this is.. how easy that is to believe is possible of a sitting president.

i have to disagree with you. there is such a thing as a lie of omission. sin of omission etc. these union guys don't just go out on the picket lines getting their 50 a day from the union just because some union boss tells them to. if they actually go on strike and go out there it's because they believe in what they're saying. so i disagree with you. every member of the union, not just the leadership, is actively working to destroy this country. if i see someone mugging you, and all i have to do to stop it is to call out and they'll run away... and i keep my mouth shut and let them mug you... then i'm just as guilty of your mugging as they were. so long as these guys are in the unions and doing nothing to stop them... they are just as guilty. they're either actively working on the destruction... or they're actively standing by watching as someone else does the work for them. either way i hold all of them accountable.

i know i'm not PE1... but here is what i don't like about cain's 999 plan... his plan would get rid of the current tax system... and instead leave us with 9% on individual income, 9% on corporate, and a 9% sales tax. sounds great. fantastic. did you know when they first adopted the income tax back in was it... 1913? something like that... it was 7% and was only supposed to be on the top 1% of the people. within 7 yrs it was up to 70% and then they switched it to being on everyone.
so my thought is no... cain and his plan sux... if it was a 9 9 plan i have no problem... if you want a sales tax get rid of income tax. if you want an income tax then no sales tax... but both... no. it's a sure thing within 2 yrs they will decide they need more revenue then we'll have a 15, 60, 10 plan or they'll keep that and graduate it so we have a 15/20/35, 60, 10 plan. to hell with that.

my short answer to that question would be yes. if i go on vacation to canada and the us gov't sends a team in to kill me then i would say yes they can do that. if i deserve to die then no one will probably raise a stink. if i did nothing to deserve it then i'm sure people will make enough stink that the administration doing that behavior will be out of power very soon. but the fact still remains that our constitution only protects us while we are in the usa. people tend to forget that. example that michael something in singapore that was going to get caned because he committed vandalism and everyone cried about how unconstitutional it was... another example was just a few years ago when our beloved congress passed a law giving our military permission to go into foreign countries to arrest people that our gov't considers to be criminals. that works out great if you're talking about the us marines going in to say Zimbabwe to arrest someone... i'd love to see them try going in to china to arrest someone...
you're free to believe what you wish about what your protections are... but if you wish to put it to a real test where your life is on the line... go to canada... commit a crime then tell them you have your constitutional rights.... see how well they respect your rights. when you leave the borders of this country you forfeit everything accorded to you via the constitution. you only reacquire what you forfeited when you return to the borders of this country.
as for how many citizens are outside the borders... 4 mil... 10 mil... 100 mil.. don't know don't care... has no impact on whether you lose your rights or not.