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Mormon Coffee : For a More Enjoyable Commenting Experience

Thu, 11 Dec 2008 05:53:24 +0000

Germit, I'll have to find it but in one of the science/medical journals I have read in the past, the writer shows that either apple or orange juice (can't remember which) is better for a wake-up call in the morning than caffeine. IE The juice wakes you up better and keeps you awake more than coffee or tea.

Mormon Coffee : For a More Enjoyable Commenting Experience

Thu, 11 Dec 2008 01:21:07 +0000

Is it just me (or Internet Explorer) or have all the past comments from the other threads been removed? When I go into past threads there are no comments whatsoever and it asks if I want to be the first to make a comment. If the comments have been removed then I don't like this system as I love to go back on previous threads and re-read what I or others have said on other topics.

Mormon Coffee : For a More Enjoyable Commenting Experience

Thu, 11 Dec 2008 01:16:46 +0000

Hi, I'm LDS and I'd like to bare my testimony that I know that Mozzilla internet engine works very well for this site as I have used it at home. I also know that Internet Explorer is very difficult and will not work properly for this site as I only have internet access through this programme at work and it causes too many problems with downloading the comments. I am not sure about the other internet engines as I have not used them nor do I have accesst to them, but as Aaron knows much about this I will believe in his word.

Mormon Coffee : Progression to Godhood -- Mormonism's God

Mon, 8 Dec 2008 13:04:08 +0000

In Genesis 1:27-28 God commanded man and woman to be fruitful and multiply and replenish the earth. We also know that God married Adam and Eve as it refers to them as being man and wife. Finally we are also told in the Bible that pro-creation is only to be within the bonds of marriage. So to keep the first command of multiplying and replenishing the earth one must be married - hence logic suggests that marriage is part of that command from God. Or did I miss something else in the Biblewhere it says we do not have to have children anymore or we can have them outside of marriage?

Mormon Coffee : Progression to Godhood -- Mormonism's God

Mon, 8 Dec 2008 04:53:10 +0000

TXNathan6152 Are you able to read others' hearts and minds? How can you say that someone does not have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ if you can't? I rely very much on the Saviour and His help and guidance through the day. I recognise Him as my Saviour and Redeemer and that I can only acheive exaltation through His atonement. I also see Him as my elder brother who loved me so much He was willing to come to this earth to suffer for my sins and pains and die for me so I can return to live with my Heavenly Father. Now if you do not believe that I have a personal relationship with my Saviour then can I say the same about you?

Mormon Coffee : Progression to Godhood -- Mormonism's God

Mon, 8 Dec 2008 04:38:12 +0000

JessicaJoy, Please re-read the chapter as here is what Paul said to the unmarried – 1 Cor 7:6 But I speak this by permission, and not of commandment. 1 Cor 7:7 For I would that all men were even as I myself 1 Cor 7:12 But to the rest (unmarried and widowed) speak I, not the Lord Then to the married he said – 1 Cor 7:10 And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Yes he may have the spirit of God, but he clearly states that all of these comments to the unmarried are his own opinion and not from God as verse 10 compared to verse 12 clearly states.

Mormon Coffee : Progression to Godhood -- Mormonism's God

Mon, 8 Dec 2008 03:20:33 +0000

Gundek, This is what is recorded about Job and his family and possessions before and after his trials. The family numbers are quite specific and verse 10 says that Job was given twice as much as he had before. So it fits with the LDS teachings, but not with other Christian teachings. Job 1:1-2 There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil. And there were born unto him seven sons and three daughters. Job 42:10-14 And the Lord turned the captivity of Job, when he prayed for his friends: also the Lord gave Job twice as much as he had before. … So the Lord blessed the latter end of Job more than his beginning: for he had fourteen thousand sheep, and six thousand camels, and a thousand yoke of oxen, and a thousand she asses. He had also seven sons and three daughters. And he called the name of the first, Jemima; and the name of the second, Kezia; and the name of the third, Keren-happuch. But as I said – it’s only a hint, it can be interpreted in other ways.

Mormon Coffee : Progression to Godhood -- Mormonism's God

Mon, 8 Dec 2008 03:07:15 +0000

MichaelP, Here is what Paul said about the ‘advice’ given - 1 Cor 7:6 But I speak this by permission, and not of commandment. 1 Cor 7:7 For I would that all men were even as I myself 1 Cor 7:12 But to the rest (unmarried and widowed) speak I, not the Lord From my understanding Paul was saying that those who were single were able to focus on spiritual things more than those who were married and in his opinion that is a good thing. However the only thing he said that was a ‘command’ from the Lord was in verses 10-11 1 Cor 7:10-11 And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband: But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried, or be reconciled to her husband: and let not the husband put away his wife. So God’s commandment, and we see this in Jesus’ teachings and the Garden of Eden in Genesis, is to be married. As far as why Paul is advising something supposedly contradictory – I don’t know, you will just have to ask him when you see him next.

Mormon Coffee : Progression to Godhood -- Mormonism's God

Mon, 8 Dec 2008 02:50:02 +0000

JessicaJoy, I never said that it was a contradiction, I just said that if Paul was not stating his opinion but said that this advice was from God, then it would be a contradiction.

Mormon Coffee : Progression to Godhood -- Mormonism's God

Sun, 7 Dec 2008 23:45:47 +0000

Germit, We focus more on gaining the Celestial Kingdom and living with God for the rest of etermity, not becoming like God. Yes we teach and have as doctrine this principle, but it is not the 'major focus'. Just getting back to Heavenly Father's presence is the main thing we should worry about now, not what the final reward He will give us is going to be.

Mormon Coffee : Progression to Godhood -- Mormonism's God

Sun, 7 Dec 2008 23:38:37 +0000

JessicaJoy, I have now answered this further down the page but I'll also put a little in here for you. If you read all the versess correctly when Paul says this, he states rather unequivocally that this is his OPINION and not from God. So, yes, while he is advocating this position, he is not teaching that it is from God. There is another scripture in the Bible (can't remember off the top of my head) that states that in the last days there will be churches teaching against marriage, and these churches are not from God. So unless Paul is just stating his opinion, then there is a contradiction in the Bible.

Mormon Coffee : Progression to Godhood -- Mormonism's God

Sun, 7 Dec 2008 23:33:33 +0000

Good question, one that I have never thought about because I am just thinking about this life right now, not the eternal future I might have. But I have thought of something over the last few days about this. I think we have a difference in the meaning/use of the word 'God'. You Evs use it to mean The Being who is God. We LDS use it as a title for Heavenly Father and not The Being. As we think of Him as Father we can believe in an eternal future as a family and having a family and becoming parents to other spirit children just as God is the father of our spirits. Thus my comment earlier about your child calling you daddy. Does this make it clearer? My spirit children will call me father just as I call Heavenly Father father and give Him the worship/respect/reverence/etc as a father - but because of all that He has done fo me, which is much more than my mortal father, He also has the title and position of God over me and this world. And He is the only God of this world and me and all who live here. Hope I made sense. Also these are my thoughts, not an official doctrine so please don't quote it as such.

Mormon Coffee : Progression to Godhood -- Mormonism's God

Sun, 7 Dec 2008 23:14:20 +0000

MichaelP, Your right, Paul SUGGESTS. If you read all of those sections where he teaches this he says that it is HIS OPINION, not from God. In fact there is another verse that says that in the last days there will be churches/people teaching against marriage and these are apostate churches/people - ie not of God. So yes, it's Paul's personal opinion, not something he received from God.

Mormon Coffee : Progression to Godhood -- Mormonism's God

Sun, 7 Dec 2008 23:10:32 +0000

Germit, This is only an imperfect example as I can think of explaining it no other way. Think of it like a pyramid scheme - Heavenly Father "progresses and increases" eternally as more of His children achieve exaltation. His glory increases more as His childrens' children achieve exaltation and so on and so forth. So our glory will never be more than His. But like I said, this is an imperfect example as I am trying to understand something that is infinite with a finite mind. Then again, my thoughts may also be incorrect.

Mormon Coffee : Progression to Godhood -- Mormonism's God

Sun, 7 Dec 2008 22:58:21 +0000

Actually Lautensack, one has to be Klingon to fully appreciate and speak authoritively on Shakespeare, or didn't you know that?

Mormon Coffee : Progression to Godhood -- Mormonism's God

Sat, 6 Dec 2008 03:45:03 +0000

Maybe the silence is because most of us are only here to correct the wrong things said about our church because there is no real discussion - you Evs have your mindset and we LDS have ours. As far as I can see I agree with most of the comments in the above article so why comment unless someone else makes a false statement or asks a sincere/real question.

Mormon Coffee : Progression to Godhood -- Mormonism's God

Sat, 6 Dec 2008 03:37:33 +0000

I guess so - just as there is a heirarchy of your son, you, your father, your father's father, his father and so on. But that is my perspective and its from a mortal finite mind. It may not be either. But we will never be equal to or better/greater than Heavenly Father, as Germit insinuated.

Mormon Coffee : Progression to Godhood -- Mormonism's God

Sat, 6 Dec 2008 03:11:59 +0000

Gundek, You misunderstood a small part, maybe it was my example or writing. God created the spirit and placed the intelligence in it - no one else did. There are some possible hints at Celestial marriage in the Bible - one of them is Job. He was given twice what he had before the trials except family-wise. He only received one wife and the same number of children as he previously had. We LDS teach that this is double what his previous family was because his other children were 'waiting; in the Celestial Kingdom for him. I can't remember what happened about his previous wife, but still, he had 2 wives and double the children if we LDS are correct - indicating double of everything that he had before the trials. There are other places in the Bible, if you can get your hands on the 'Gospel Principles' book it has all the references and LDS explanations in it. ALso, if you read the first 2 chapters (I think) they explain the topic of this thread about our relationship with God and how we believe that we can become like Him.

Mormon Coffee : Progression to Godhood -- Mormonism's God

Sat, 6 Dec 2008 03:06:08 +0000

Germit, Your statement "One huge difference (among many) is that they believe (though this apparantly isn't brought up much) that with this divine help, they can match and perhaps outstrip their parents (Father/Mother)." is totally incorrect. If you go through all of the LDS lesson manuals and all of the posts by LDS on Mormon Coffee, we teach and believe that we will never 'match' nor 'outstrip' Heavenly Father. We will always be 'subservient' (For want of a better word) to Him.

Mormon Coffee : The Main Claim of Mormonism

Fri, 5 Dec 2008 05:23:23 +0000

Lautensack, What disagrees with our theology in the prayer you wrote? Let’s see – We are taught to give all thanks, glory and praise to Heavenly Father, not take it upon ourselves as this prayer has done. We are taught to pray for God to soften others hearts so they can receive the truth about Him and His Son, not to boast that we have it and all else do not. That’s 2 things to start off with, but there are others. This prayer is boastful and critical, much like a group of people in the BoM who we teach were in the wrong in the sight of God. If you go into the Bible dictionary on the LDS website and look up prayer, then you will find more wrong with what you have written that disagrees with our doctrine.