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Speak Out America : Speak Out America

Sat, 31 Dec 2011 18:09:04 +0000

Happy New Years
Hope to have more discussions with and others in 2012
Semper Fi

Speak Out America : Speak Out America

Fri, 30 Dec 2011 20:15:04 +0000

Rage,

I can understand that you have reached a point of questioning some of your beliefs, it happens to just about everyone around your age. I am pleased that I may have had a small part in that questioning and pray that I may have had a small part in forming those beliefs. As far as Glenn's old 912 Project, yes it did manage to wake up a number of people, however, as with everything, some people took advantage of Glenn's name and idea and corrupted it for their own purposes, and this purpose is not what Glenn intended. Point, this is one of the problems that has brought America to this point in history.

I agree, there is a cycle, but as with any cycle, it can be interrupted and this is what we need to do. How to do this? Some people say we have to elect conservatives. Yes. But it seems that everyone is looking for that perfect candidate. Flash! He/she doesn't exist. Others have hinted that maybe a second revolution is needed. Flash! Does anyone think that it will really do any good. Remember, we don't have the Washington or Jefferson or anyone even close to the Founding Fathers. Can anyone say that someone will wake away from real power. There are still others that feel knowing the everything about the founding fathers and the founding documents will solve the problem. It will help, but unless that knowledge is passed on, PRACTICED and we have people who are willing to sacrifice to ensure that those documents are enforced, then all the knowledge in the world isn't going to stop the cycle.

I feel that the only way to stop the cycle is for every family to get back to the basics of life, learn to think for yourself, do what is right for you and your family, don't be a sheep, following every suggestion / idea that some talk show host tells you. Learn to research and check the facts for yourself. If you have problems checking these out ask for help and most importantly keep an open mind.�

I feel that if every good thinking American kind of follows this and in turn passes on the ideas on to their children and maybe another family, we might begin to�interrupt�the cycle, but this will take time, the immediate concern is, no matter who is nominated, whether you like, agree with them, we have to vote! We have to defeat Obama, and then, maybe we can begin to get America back on the right track.

Semper Fi

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Thu, 29 Dec 2011 10:41:03 +0000

Rage,
Yes, the system is rigged against the very few people that may be out there, no argument from me there. Now, we recognize ONE of the problems, let's look at the cause. In my opinion, it is the way society has changed, I'm not a social worker or do I have any \"training\" in that area, just from I see and I see that the American people have gotten too�egocentric, they are more worried about their 15 minutes of fame, they will do anything, violate any code of honor, stab anyone in the back and betray anyone to have their moment in the spotlight. I can give you any number of examples just from my experience, as you and I know, in fact a new one came to light just recently where something (an idea) was \"borrowed\" from RF and no credit was given. WHY? Because it might give them the spotlight. Yet, these people claim to be Patriots, how can anyone be a patriot, IF they can not live up to a person code of honor.
As far as talk show hosts, unlike you, I didn't take every word as gospel, I would check things out for myself, but unfortunately too many people have become zombies, if a talk show host says something, then those people will run around shouting from the rooftops what the host says UNTIL the next subject. Then when someone does research and finds errors, they REFUSE to accept it. Again, I can give you personal examples, but I feel you and others know what I'm�referring to.�
People say we have to work to straighten out America, I can give you a list of things that our government has done wrong, BUT how can \"we\"�straighten�out / correct these problems IF we, ourselves, are the problem. Everyone thinks that if the election goes the way we want, America will be back on track, WRONG! The only way to get America back on the right track is to get the American people back on the right track and frankly I don't see that happening anytime soon. You said you see a Thomas Jefferson out there, I would like to see / meet this person.

Semper Fi

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Wed, 28 Dec 2011 10:08:03 +0000

Rage,

I disagree with you and Glenn, there is not a Jefferson, or Washington, Madison or Franklin out there, the culture has changed to the point that it true�sacrifice by the \"people\" has all but gone the way of the VCR. Yes, there is our military, but how many of them, after sacrificing for 4 plus years, really want to continue the sacrifice? Few if any.

Now, I know you and others will most likely argue with me, but just look at the people out there. How many people have climbed on a \"bandwagon\" because some talk show host hinted that this is the way to do something, just to try to make a name for themselves. How many people ARE trying to be the next Jefferson, and letting everyone know how they are the \"leader\", the same with a Washington, how many people, in and out of government, WILL willingly walk away from fame and fortune, as Washington did? How many people will use whatever means, betray any trust just to have their 15 minutes of fame? How many people care only for themselves, their family and their \"friends\", claiming to be patriots, yet when the hard choice is needed to be made, will shrink from that choice. How many people will sacrifice something as simple as time, to fight the battle? This is what, in my opinion, made our Founding Fathers great, they were willing to sacrifice all, including time with their families, in fact they unintentionally put families in danger, how many people today are willing to do that?

\"These are the times that try men's soul: The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this time of crisis, shrink from the service of his country...\"

Semper Fi

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Tue, 27 Dec 2011 10:53:03 +0000

Rage,
Unfortunately, like you and many others, I do not trust the current crop of critters. HOWEVER, there is too much construing going on in the country AND too many people are jumping too conclusions without checking into the facts, which was the original intent of the reply.

There are too many people who will listen to talk show hosts, talking heads, and even the critters themselves without checking the facts themselves. Yes, we know the language can be vague, but face it even our Constitution, as WRITTEN, has vague language in it, Article I, Section 8, �Clause 3, The \"Commererce Clause\" or the all popular Article II, Section 1, Clause 5. Now, everyone can sit and debate exactly what the Founding Fathers meant when this was written.But does anyone REALLY know what they were thinking? We can look at every source available, but we do not know exactly they were thinking, only what we, as�individuals, conclude. BUT the point is, do you listen to someone who is on the radio, T.V. or the net to tell you, or do you take a few minutes and read it yourself? That's the point I have been trying to get across.

As I have written in a number of posts, I feel that a number of people have gotten intellectually lazy and are�vulnerable�to being guided. Look back over history, and just remain in the 20th century, how many revolutions have taken place for the worst, all because of the suspicion raised by some intellectual, well spoken person. SUSPICION will destroy slowly, so a person needs to be informed, be observant, and as Reagan said, \"Trust but�verify\".�

Do I really trust the current crop of critters? NO! But, as it stands, this is what we have in place, all we can do is each and every election attempt to elect people who will do the right thing if not and people continue to live with constant suspicion and distrust someone (group) will do something really stupid (my opinion) and then what will be the consequences. Is there a Washington, Madison, or Jefferson out there? With our current culture, I don't think so and I don't believe there ever will be.

Semper Fi
OM

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Fri, 23 Dec 2011 10:22:03 +0000

Rage,
Are you saying that the \"War on terror\" is not a world wide battle field? Just what would you recommend we do IF a terrorist with an American passport is capture in Iraq with a suitcase nuke by a Marine fire team. He is to be detained at Gitmo or brought to the U.S. to stand trial? How about if that same person is caught on tape plotting to plant a suitcase nuke at say a mall during the holiday season? Do you wait to catch him in the act, and maybe there is a \"dead man's\" switch. Now, of the two�scenario's which is covered by 1031 and 1032 AS WRITTEN, not what you think, not what read into it.
OM �

Speak Out America : Speak Out America

Thu, 22 Dec 2011 23:00:05 +0000

Serf,
I never said we disagreed, the whole point was that as I said, the American people have gotten�intellectually lazy, and if that offends, well so be it, but how many people follow blindly what they hear on the radio or see on T.V., from some who is suppose to be so smart that they have their own show, wrote a book or what ever, �and not bother to do some research, to check it out for themselves. And people wonder why we are in the shape we're in as a country.
As far as laws being in place prior to 2001, yes but remember, we are�fighting�a different type of war Yes I said war) although Congress or the Clown in Chief refuses to admit it. The terrorists are not covered under Geneva Convention, which deals with uniform troops, so the congress in their ultimate knee jerk reaction passed laws to cover terrorists, and then of course what do you do with those caught on U.S. soil that are NOT citizens or legal residents, unfortunately / fortunately depending on one's view, if they are captured on American soil, they are subject to the laws of America so maybe the critters were trying to get them to a POW status.
Semper Fi

Speak Out America : Speak Out America

Thu, 22 Dec 2011 22:30:05 +0000

Serf,
Hell the IRS can tear anyone's life apart just because they are the IRS. How many times has it been used long before the Patriot Act was put into effect?�
As far as the�definition�of a terrorist, true there isn't one. Remember when some liberal said, \"One man's terrorist is someone else's freedom fighter\" and the comments that were thrown around that. So, what is�definition�of a terrorist?
Now on the abuse of laws, give me a break, that happens not only at national level but at the local level as well. Try not cutting your grass for a month in some cities and watch how fast the city comes down on you and then decide to look for other things. Abuse of authority / laws has been around as long as there has been some kind of seat of power. \"Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely.\"
This is also holds true for the courts, face it, the courts have become corrupt with politics, but then again, name me something that hasn't been corrupted by politics and power. I feel, you will be hard pressed to name something.
Semper Fi

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Thu, 22 Dec 2011 08:59:04 +0000

Rage:
Did you even bother to read Section 1032:
\"(2)�COVERED PERSONS.�The requirement in paragraph (1) shall apply to any person whose detention is authorized under section 1031 who is determined (A) to be a member of, or part of, al-Qaeda or an associated force that acts in coordination with or pursuant to the direction of al-Qaeda; and (B) to have participated in the course of planning or carrying out an attack or attempted attack against the United States or its coalition partners.�<p style=\"font-size:16px;background-image:initial;background-color:transparent;border-top-width:0px;border-right-width:0px;border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;border-style:initial;border-color:initial;margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:24px;margin-left:0px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;vertical-align:baseline\"> (3)�DISPOSITION UNDER LAW OF WAR. For purposes of this subsection, the disposition of a person under the law of war has the meaning given in section 1031(c), except that no transfer otherwise described in paragraph (4) of that section shall be made unless consistent with the requirements of section 1033.
<p style=\"font-size:16px;background-image:initial;background-color:transparent;border-top-width:0px;border-right-width:0px;border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;border-style:initial;border-color:initial;margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:24px;margin-left:0px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;vertical-align:baseline\"> (4)�WAIVER FORNATIONAL SECURITY. The Secretary of Defense may, in consultation with the�Secretary of State and the Director of National Intelligence, waive the requirement of paragraph (1) if the Secretary submits to Congress a certification in writing that such a waiver is in the national security interests of theUnited States.
<p style=\"font-size:16px;background-image:initial;background-color:transparent;border-top-width:0px;border-right-width:0px;border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;border-style:initial;border-color:initial;margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:24px;margin-left:0px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;vertical-align:baseline\"> (b)�APPLICABILITY TO UNITED STATES CITIZENS AND LAWFUL RESIDENT ALIENS.
<p style=\"background-image:initial;background-color:transparent;border-top-width:0px;border-right-width:0px;border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;border-style:initial;border-color:initial;margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:24px;margin-left:0px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;vertical-align:baseline\"> (1)�UNITED STATES CITIZENS.�The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States.
<p style=\"font-size:16px;background-image:initial;background-color:transparent;border-top-width:0px;border-right-width:0px;border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;border-style:initial;border-color:initial;margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:24px;margin-left:0px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;vertical-align:baseline\"> (2)�LAWFUL RESIDENT ALIENS.�The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to a lawful resident alien of theUnited Stateson the basis of conduct taking place within theUnited States, except to the extent permitted by the Constitution of theUnited States.
<p style=\"font-size:16px;background-image:initial;background-color:transparent;border-top-width:0px;border-right-width:0px;border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;border-style:initial;border-color:initial;margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:24px;margin-left:0px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;vertical-align:baseline\"> Now, it particularly states Section 1031. BTW the last version of the bill I saw, Section 1031 was removed.
<p style=\"font-size:16px;background-image:initial;background-color:transparent;border-top-width:0px;border-right-width:0px;border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;border-style:initial;border-color:initial;margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:24px;margin-left:0px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;vertical-align:baseline\"> OM

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Wed, 21 Dec 2011 19:55:04 +0000

Serf,
Granted there are a number of laws, regulations on the books. Granted we can't read all of them. BUT (yes the big BUT), the latest Defense Authorization Bill was online and anyone who with a few clicks find it, and lo and behold, it has a contents, a person doesn't have to read the whole thing, just the Section you need to look at. Why didn't people do this, because they are�intellectually�lazy, they would rather have some talk show host say this or say that, and off they go, its bad. They were even to lazy to read two posts hear on the site about it, and I know you have read my 'works\" and no damn well that I�thoroughly�research and above all REFERENCE what I say and in this case, I even copied and pasted the two sections that was the center of the discussion. YET, people paid more attention to talk show hosts or internet rumors then to check the facts.�
Now, you are going to ask, \"Do I really trust the government?\" Not just NO, but HELL NO, however, since it is in the Bill and in Black and White, I would say we have a better chance of defending against any unauthorized seizures. However, since the outrage, the senate has added the fact that now BH0 has authority to determine whether to treat terrorist as POW's or bring them here to America, and once they are on American soil, they will be subject to our Constitution and all its benefits. Now, if and when this happens and if and when a high profile terrorist is brought here and his�cohorts�decide to do what Hamas does with Israel and starts kidnapping American citizens and worst yet performing terrorists act on U.S. soil, maybe blow up a school or a mall to force U.S. to release the prisoner, then I wonder what the show hosts will say or better yet what will those people who didn't bother to read the complete subject say.
Semper Fi

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Wed, 21 Dec 2011 18:40:05 +0000

Serf,
I agree that the rage is out there, and I also agree that the government IS NOT listening, but the point that I've been attempting to make is too many people are not bothering to research, or check things out. They are�intellectually lazy, they would rather have some one tell them, what to think / do.
This senate bill is just one of the many times, that people hear something from some talk show host and goes on some campaign, without really knows all the facts. Another example is Agenda 21. There is one site that devoted their efforts to writing the senate not to ratify a treaty, yet no treaty is involved, and as I showed it was born here in the U.s., BUT they don't want to hear that because some talk show host said it is bad because it is from the U.N. (No argument from me on that), BUT they are too lazy to really check things.
NOW, I don't want to hear the excuse that they don't have time, that's crap, they have time to argue about it, but don't have time to check the facts.
People wonder why and how we got where we are today, this is the reason, intellectual laziness, not paying attention and just following the crowd to be popular, to make a name or what ever reason.
I pray people wake up, if not America as we knew it is gone.
Semper Fi

Speak Out America : Speak Out America

Tue, 20 Dec 2011 19:14:04 +0000

Serf,
I believe I even said that in the various posts on this subject. HOWEVER, the point that I'm attempting to make, is everyone is/was concentrating on section 1031, Yet section 1032 says that it does not apply to U.S. citizens. Now, people should ask why this is the focus? Now, they have amended the bill giving BH0 the authority to over ride what the military does with captured prisoners, now what's to prevent him from saying that all people captured on the field of battle will be brought to the U.S. to stand trial in a federal court. When this happens, I'm waiting for the outrage from the people of America.
Semper Fi

Speak Out America : Speak Out America

Sat, 17 Dec 2011 11:59:03 +0000

Hi Rage,
As far as 1031, Yes it could mean people on American soil, KEY word, COULD, but it doesn't say that, yet 1032 to DOES say U.S. Citizens ARE NOT subject to it. Anybody could argue that point, I feel that 1031 was for those captured on the \"battlefield\". Now, it appears that when someone is captured on the battlefield, will be subject to the rules of the Constitution, which could mean they will be read their rights, Evidence will have to be collected and trial will take place on American soil. Now, if the evidence is not availbale, and a go ACLU lawyer presents doubt in the minds of the jury, then guess what, they are free to go. Also, rules of evidence requires the witnesses to be present, again, are they going to dispose every Marine / Soldier involved in the battle or even bring them back to the states for the trial? After all, the accused has the right to confront their�accuser. Now, with the terrorist held on American soil, you really don't think it wouldn't be long before a group starts terrorist activities for the release of the prisoners, and you don't think that the a lot of American people won't start crying to release them OR worst case, give BH0 a reason to crack down on the American citizens.
Now, as far as Rush, Glenn and Hannity. Yes, I listen to all 3, Rush seems to have better handle on the politics, Glenn more history, but I feel he is heading in a direction that I don't agree with, but hey that's me, Hannity, as far I'm concern as a talk show host, hasn't an original bone in his body, just about everything he covers, I had either heard on Rush or Glenn, and he�seldom�gives credit.
NOW, Judge Nap, I watch his show (DVR it) and most of his knowledge is valuable BUT what I question is his push for Gary Johnson to run as third party, NOW if you read �http://rebuildingfreedom.org/2011/12/09/gary-johnson-republician-candidate-for-president-third-party-candidate-or-something-else/�and follow the link to the SSDP, you will see the connection to George Soros which I have yet heard the Judge ask about.
So, like I said in my posts, previously linked, is there something else at foot, I don't know.
Semper Fi

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Fri, 16 Dec 2011 11:17:06 +0000

Rage,
To begin with, frankly the�argument�is moot, it has been passed, with a change, and unfortunately I haven't read the change yet, however from what I've heard, the power now rests in the hands of the President.�
Now, here are the questions you and most Americans should ask:
1. Where in Section 1031 does it say anything about American citizens? As many times as I've read it, it does not! Can it be implied, maybe, but as with the Constitution, what is defined is law and Section 1032 DEFINES that the law DOES NOT applied to American citizens. Now, thanks to the \"outrage\", the language has been changed to allow Presidential authority to bring people captured on the battlefield to America for trial.
2. Just why would the ACLU be pushing so hard to change this to put it into the hands of the Obama? If you have forgotten what the ACLU really stands for and who actually is behind them please check �http://rebuildingfreedom.org/rebuilding-freedom-forum/?mingleforumaction=viewtopic&t=145 .�
3. As I have mentioned in the past posts, why is it that only certain senators and people are ranting about it, particularly on the conservative side?
4. Now, I know this is�anecdotal, of all the conservative talk show hosts out there, I feel that Rush has a better handle on it then most, so you have to ask yourself, just why he hasn't been pushing it as hard as Glenn and Judge Nap? Yes, I listen to Rush and have yet heard him say anything about it.
Personally, I feel there is something else at work, and when/if they start bringing captured terrorist to America for trial in U.S. courts, and IF they are�acquitted, I don't want to hear people ranting and crying, because now, it is in the hands of an out of control POTUS.
Semper Fi

Speak Out America : Speak Out America

Thu, 15 Dec 2011 14:00:05 +0000

Rage,
I know what you mean. Why are they concentrating on 1031, when 1032 spells it out. Even Glenn Beck was ranting about 1031, but didn't mention 1032. Is there an agenda? From the left, yes, to get the terrorist here on U.S. soil for trial. From the right, I have my own weird ideas and if I were to express them, \"the men in the white coats would come to take me, to the funny farm, where gay and beautiful...\"
Let's just say, that too many people are being lead AND not looking at the facts.
Semper Fi

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Wed, 14 Dec 2011 12:39:05 +0000

Rage,
With anything that happens in congress there is a chance of abuse. All one has to do is look back over history, Prime example, EPA, did anyone thing that it would end up with the power it has.
As I stated in the 2 posts, or more to the point asked, IS there an agenda at work, why would they want to prevent sending enemies to Gitmo? Why would they want to give the President the right to decide whether or not an enemy combatant picked up on U.S. soil should go to Gitmo or civilian trial? �There are just too many questions, that people need to look at, prime one is, Who has an agenda, Left or Right? Ask yourself why, with all the talk / blogs no one ever brings up the point that it is written in the bill that it does not pertain to U.S. citizens?

Semper Fi

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Wed, 14 Dec 2011 09:56:08 +0000

Rage, Would you or the author of the linkled article PLEASE show me in the mention bill where the suspension of Haberas Corpus or enacting of Martial Law is even suggested. In fact, there is language that says, that American citizens ARE NOT subject to it. AND it even says that there is protection under the Constitution. Please check these posts http://rebuildingfreedom.org/2011/11/27/secret-op... and http://rebuildingfreedom.org/2011/12/03/sometimes... then ask yourself, is there other agendas in motion from either the LEFT or the RIGHT Semper Fi

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Tue, 22 Nov 2011 08:49:03 +0000

EB,
Yes, but remember the Constitution defines what the Federal government can and can not do, therefore the Federal government can not \"infringe\" on bearing (carrying) arms, yet leaves it open on how they should be carried, concealed or open.
Now, unlike some who claim to know what the Founding Fathers, may or may not have meant, from what I've read, I feel that when the Founding Fathers framed the Constitution, they didn't know (how could they) know what advances would come, so they put in place methods to cover these, ie. the amendment process and the 10th amendment ( I know this is not new, everyone should know this) and as guns got smaller, the Feds couldn't stop people from carrying them concealed, because that would infringe on the right to bear arms, so it was left to the states.
OM

Speak Out America : Speak Out America

Mon, 21 Nov 2011 17:03:03 +0000

EB,
Remember what the second amendment says,\"...the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be �infringed.\" Now, there is no mention on how the arms can be beared (carried), so therefore since it is not defined by the Constitution, one could assume (I know, don't say it) that it falls to the states to define how it should be carried per the 10th amendment, \"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution ( No powers defined on how are beared (Carried),), nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively (One can conclude that how a person carries the weapon is left to the states, now some states have open carry, but reserve the right to \"license\" CC), or to the people.\" Now the people elected the�legislature who in turn, passed the laws concerning CC.
Semper Fi,
OM�

Speak Out America : Speak Out America

Fri, 18 Nov 2011 10:57:03 +0000

Thank you Glad,
Seems even Judge Napaleano(sp) seems to have some questions about it (watching a DVR'd of his show as I reply). As you and many others realize, \"What the government gives, the government can take away\", unfortunately there are too few people both in and out of government that don't have the b@lls to stand up for what's right.�
Semper Fi
OM