You see, this is why folks like me think both the left and right are crazy. While what Planned Parenthood promotes to children is disgraceful, and I support ending all their funding in a heartbeat, they aren't trying to create "sex addicts". I mean, that's just paranoid ranting. Also, teaching that masturbation is natural is quite different from "fisting kits" but by lumping all this together, it makes you folks look extreme too.

The other issue is that this entire topic is also blended in with the Christian Right's hatred of homosexuality. Newsflash, homosexuality occurs throughout nature in and is "normal" because it occurs naturally in small minorities of mammals across many species. Again, I don't support taking teenage kids to "Gay Pride" events, but to not tell them that science proves homosexuality is innate and not learned would be to lie.

At the end of the day a libertarian like me will side with the right wingers because I think Planned Parenthood is vile and needs to be stopped but I have to hold my nose when listening to so much of the stupid stuff the right says about sexuality. I agree it's your job to teach your kids about sexual morality, but I don't think teaching abstention, that masturbation is wrong and that homosexuality is "unnatural" is a good idea either. Teenage children are sexually maturing, young adults, not infants held in your protective cage. Their hormones are revving and they will engage in sex - they always have, whether or not hectoring adults like it. I say taking a more realistic approach is healthier and that's what I did with my very healthy, non-slutty daughter and it turned out fine. Neither of us want the govt involved or Planned Parenthood - but that doesn't mean I buy the whole Christian Right sexual agenda, sorry. If you folks would try to find common ground with folks like me on this and many other issues instead of inserting your Christian morality into every issue, we would be much more powerful as a political force.

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Listen to Moulitsas, he actually believes what he's saying, that the Occupy movement is somehow relevant to anyone in this country. He's so deluded, so inside the bubble that he doesn't even know what's happening.

Of course I'm not talking about Obama or socialism (none of which I support) so take your imbecilic preaching elsewhere, yeah? The Confederacy had as it's stated goal the preservation of the ownership of slaves in the southern states. Lee may have been a man of honor until he picked that side to fight on, but then lost all honor by leading the fight for such cause. Nothing else he did nor how he comported himself as a gentleman relieves him of that stain on his character. Your inability to clearly see the immorality of the south says something ugly about you, but I bet you don't see that either.

Government spending went up 6% last year in Greece - not down. The cutbacks aren't draconian, they are responsible. In Greece you retire at 53, collect a govt pension and healthcare for the rest of your life. Anyone can go to the doctor or dentist and never pay a penny. University is free and welfare payments are guaranteed to all who don't have work. None of that has been cut up until the point - none of it. The rhetoric is so divorced from reality that you can't even talk to folks who are so deranged that they can blame this state of affairs on the West. Worse yet, the Greeks never should have been admitted to the Euro as their balance sheet never complied. They "cooked" the books to join - all of Europe knew and winked (while calling those of us who cried foul bigots and worse), and pretended that all would fine someday magically.

Bad news, "someday" has come for you. Keynes said that the long run doesn't matter - here's where ignoring the long run ends up. It should be a canary in the mine for leftists but instead it's a rallying cry. How pathetic, how delude and how unnecessary. Greece was never a 'first world' country but it was burgeoning. It used to dominate the shipping industry, but regulations and the labor movement in Greece destroyed both it's shipbuilding and repair businesses. These were real wealth building enterprises that provided many good jobs and a real industrial base to grow from. Instead, their government intentionally destroyed it. Where is the accounting for all these idiots who gave them all this bad advice over all these years? Why aren't they being dragged out into the street by these crowds? That's who's gotten them there, not capitalists. It's so sad, and it also shows that being right is meaningless. We must grab power away from these collectivist psychopaths or all is lost.

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Robert E. Lee was a defender of the most odious crime against humanity every committed. Despite the revisionist history folks like you attempt, he has no place in the pantheon of great leaders or men - except to be known as an evil man. Go away, crypto-racist, go away. And I'm no liberal, just informed.

We intervened in Libya and now it's a country run by Islamists. We intervened in Afghanistan and the second we leave the Taliban will retake control of most of the country. The second we left Iraq, the entire political system descended into chaos. Jeez, why not intervene in another country, it's turning out so well! I have no desire to spend a penny of our money or to send a single soldier there. Period. I don't care if they all kill each other - it's a hard, cruel world and we can't stop Muslims from slaughtering each other. They seem to revel in it. So be it.

Ah at last, we agree on something. You do have "common sense" - which in this society would mean you read about .5 books per year and read on an 8th grade level - spot on from what I've seen so far. I never said I respected Penn's politics, I said I respected him for not being a phony about it. I made clear I find socialism abhorrent. We don't disagree on that, but you keep wanting to argue you it. You are so stupid, and your critical faculties are so poorly developed, it's like arguing with someone who has a mental defect of some sort. My contention is that in this case, Penn is doing real good at real personal sacrifice and he doesn't deserve to be insulted while he's doing so much for so many. Are you so dense that you don't understand that? Do you realize all your comments about Marxism have nothing to do with what I'm even saying? You are one of those people who doesn't realize how stupid they are, what a joke. So long, sad moron.

But of course you're wrong all day long and twice on Sunday. I support Gary Johnson, not the odious crank, Ron Paul, the Paleo Libertarian and crypto-bigot. Libertarian philosophy inherits directly from Thomas Paine, Thomas Jefferson, Locke - it'sconservatives who opposed the classical liberal values that created this nation. Today's "liberal" is a socialist, an enemy of liberty and un-American. However, dumbasses like you are just as bad because you substitute partisan mewling and cheerleading for reason. You know Jefferson and Madison were terrified of brutish thugs like you, don't you? They despised partisanship, referring repeatedly to at the time, using the language of the day of "factionalism". You admitted right here that ideology is more important to you than morality - that is disgusting. Guys like you are annoying because you are so easily manipulated by populist tropes and emotional appeals but somehow think you've got something worth saying. Go back to your TV and beer now, and let the grownups do the thinking now, okay?

As for your moral reasoning, if one can really even grace what passes for thought in your furtive mind with such a grand description, so it's not possible for a leftist to do a good moral act? Do you realize how ignorant and vile a statement that is? I loathe Penn's politics, but he's no phony and puts his money where his mouth is. I can respect those I disagree with, even if they don't give me the same courtesy. Accordingly, I'm not blinded by hatred and can see the good thing that Penn is doing here. That you can't only identifies you as a morally backward, lowlife. Do the world a favor: Don't reproduce or vote, okay?

Are you actually retarded? He's spending his own money, and most of it. That's the point. Can you actually even hear words that don't come from Rush Limbaugh anymore?

Typical Tea Party moron. I even said in my comment that I very strongly disagree with Penn politically - I'm a libertarian, no "lib" or socialist, in fact I'm farther from it than you are, you ignorant rube. As for what Penn is up to, hmm, he's spent millions of his own money, most of his fortune in fact ,on Haitians who are dying by the hundreds of thousands since the quake - maybe you didn't know that, so busy you are jacking-off to GlennBeckTV. He doesn't ask anyone to feel bad for him, he knows he can make more. While I do agree he's a real dik sometimes, I think in this he's shown his motives and actions to be very good. It's sad for you that you can't see the goodness in him - even if he can't see the goodness in you. I bet you call yourself a Christian too, what a nasty, pathetic little human being you must be.