Let's not judge Urthmovr too quickly. If he/she says he's/she's been to multiple tea parties then I'm sure he/she can produce the "macaca moment," video that will finally prove all those millions of tea partiers are racists, yesiree, every last one of 'em.

OK Urthmovr, let's see whatcha got! You DO have it, don't you? You really did attend some rallies, didn't you? Like I have? You wouldn't just make this all up, would you? You're not some liberal, are you?

As someone who has fought on both the conservative side, and the Christian side, in the public arena--if you have to ask, I can only assume you have not. That you have never experienced the vicious hatred the secular Left vomits at anyone who does what VJ did. I'm not saying I'm a better conservative or Christian than you, but a lot of your positions suggest a lack of firsthand experience, though a good heart and head. You are misinformed about a number of key items you've brought up or replied to, but I do appreciate your passionate and civil level of debate.

Our rights come either from our Creator or our fellow creatures--there is no third option. If the former, they can't justly be taken from us (as our Founders all believed); if from man, then those in power can grant or remove them at will (as the French Revolutionaries believed). That's why we've had one government since our revolution while the French...

You won't find the right to vote in the Bible because it is not Roberts Rules of Order or a "how to set up and run your own government" handbook. It provides the eternal, universal, true and trustworthy principles that work in whatever culture and time we live in. The leaders who have been guided and bound by its precepts are generally acknowledged to be the best history has produced. (I know that's a sweeping generalization, but for some other debate.)

Appreciate you asking questions to learn, not just rhetorically.

You might want to ask yourself the real reason her post upset you. She made some interesting, valid points. I'm sure it wasn't the truth of what she pointed out that bothered you most, was it? Was it any Christian daring to speak out and apply their faith in areas that overlap our collective public life? If she had championed same-sex marriage, or single motherhood, or any other celebrity partyline cause, would you have nodded approvingly and moved on? It's a sincere question--I don't know you're other issues, but I do know the black-list savaging a celebrity gets when they dare step off the Hollywood reservation.

You have a valid point. I agree many people think "christian" and "conservative" are synonymous, but it's not unanimous. Of course from the time of Christ on, people have used His name to justify the evil they do, as well as the good. I agree with Reagan who said (paraphrasing) "what's more important than having God on our side is that we are on His side."

Christians are under orders not to confuse politics and faith. But the opposite error--being so heavenly minded that you are of no earthly good--brings to mind Burke's quote that the only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing. In these modern secular times that is exactly what is constantly demanded of Christians (like Victoria J) who dare polk their heads above their fox holes and express an opinion. Doesn't matter whether you're right or wrong, if you're a Christian shut up! You can see what happens when Christians meekly surrender their role in public life (Nazi German, the USSR, etc.), vs. when they stand on philosophical and biblical principles (USA 1776).

Victoria, you beautifully made the case for why libertarian conservatives and social conservatives have no significant differences and must get together. God bless and strengthen you for the battle ahead. You joined the side that will lose in the short run and win in the long run. Glad you know where your real hope is being kept for you secure and untouchable.

If you want to know how to live as a Christian, just ask any non-Christian--they're always "prepared to given an anwer" to exactly what we should and shouldn't be doing.

In the meantime, I'm just trying to be salt and light according to the light I believe God has given me. Not too concerned about what the JohnnyHes of the world think of me, but very concerned about what my new grandson will think of me when he grows up and asks: "How did your generation allow this to happen?"

Good question. Here is the explanation (I am the caller):

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_06090...

Some were very enthusiastic, but it was a large room and there were a lot of wealthy RINOs there. Bottom line, the GOP is badly divided between those who want to be the party that gets along with everyone, and those who know we are losing/have lost our Constitution.

I was there. Voight gave the best speech of the night. Best because it was unvarnished, unapologetic, un-pc truth. The spirit of the Founders still lives in a few Americans, and has found a home in this man. That is something liberals can't understand until they become conservatives, a passage to adulthood that is a one-way street. That's right--liberals become conservatives, conservatives do not become liberals. You liberals might want to ask yourselves why that is. And also ask yourselves: "Why does my side always have to lie about who we are?" If you want to know which side is right, you can start by eliminating the one that has to lie about who they are and what they really believe. Then, if you have any honor and decency left... try joining the side that's left. Hint: It's on the right.