Since most people posting here believe our government sucks we should be debating how do we get rid of these politicions and how we get fence sitters to join us.I have changed "moderates'' to my views by calling them cowards,you are afraid people won't like you so you compromise. I say you never compromise your values. If your values are different than mine fine, I will not be for anyone who wants to take from one to give to another, show me a country that has had our sucsess for the average person then I will listen to you.