I want that freaking Bears sweater!!! Where can I get one?

Great write-up, Doug, and thanks for sharing this cool product. I'll definitely have to order one.

Hey Marty, aren't you a member of BOSS? I just moved from Chicago and I was also a member. Nothing to do with this article whatsoever, just saying "Hi!"

I just noticed that, too. Thanks for pointing that out, i will try and figure that out. Stinking RSS!

Doug, you're killing me with some of my favorite brews! Arctic Panzer Wolf is my ALL TIME FAVORITE and I will be needing you to send me some soon. Great write up, and great insight!

Haha! I love it!

Really wonderful article, thanks for sharing. You made some really nice points.

See, that's a good little discussion, and I appreciate your contribution to the article. My points initially were far from where we ended up now, but I'm glad we're here. You've made some wonderful points regarding the less prominent flavors and their role in beer, both craft and mainstream. You've also made good points regarding the brewing process of other (wonderful) beer styles. I appreciate your retorts and I will gladly and humbly say that I wrote the above with more heart than thought.

Next time I'll just say, "Get Bud off the same shelf as my Three Floyds".

Intensity or lack of intensity was not at all my argument. My argument was that when lacking flavor, it becomes very difficult, if not impossible to characterize something by flavor. We're not talking about Pilsners that have subtle flavor, we are talking about muted flavors. Flavors that have purposely been subdued.

Please, explain to me the error of my thinking in terms of the process, too. Because the last time I brewed with GABF gold winning breweries, they weren't adding adjuncts, and they also weren't skimping on ingredients.

So no, intensity is not a factor taken into consideration, but again I will argue, lack of flavor is very different from mild flavor.

I will say, in addition, that I get excited about this argument. I guess what you're most likely saying is that as long as a beer is brewed according to beer standards, it has a place on the flavor wheel, regardless of the AMOUNT of flavor. So, based on that argument, I will say that you are correct (if I'm understanding you correctly).

My counter to your argument about the apple is this. I agree that the process is irrelevant to the flavor wheel when speaking precisely about BJCP judging. However, when understanding beer flavor, the "why" in addition to the "what", it helps to understand what is behind the flavors. The process also is extremely important in understanding off flavors and whatnot.

I hope this makes sense. And yes, I'm arguing on passion and agenda in the last paragraph. The difference is that my agenda is to promote great beer, and make sure that people understand it. I have no stakes in any beer company and I have no reason to argue other than because I love the topic.

This looks totaly freaking delicious!!! I'll try it and let you know how it turns out.